Mr. Wonder Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 Slant: The 10 Best Albums of 19939Janet Jackson, janet.It wasn't until the third album into her rhythm renaissance before Janet finally let herself explore her own heretofore underutilized pleasure principle. With two fingers, even. janet. (or Janet, Period) is absolutely off the rag. Taking a notable cue from Madonna's Erotica escapades, Miss Nasty drops trou (except on the immortal cover art) and, like a moth to a flame, burns like a fire of good times even Leni Riefenstahl-lensed, production-number socialism couldn't hope to mandate as effectively. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis may have worked with more disciplined results, but their sound never seemed so perceptibly opulent. As Christgau wrote, “The difference between hearing it on a cheap box and a booming system is the difference between daydreaming about sex and having somebody's crack in your face.” If Janet is their own personal Dietrich, janet. is their Motown-tracked Scarlet Empress. Eric Hendersonhttp://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-10-best-albums-of-1993 9Janet Jackson, The Velvet RopeThe Velvet Rope is handily Janet Jackson's most personal effort and, Rhythm Nation excepted, one of her most important creative statements, diving headlong into the politics of personal and sexual self-actualization. But unlike other topical pop records, and despite its sadomasochistic overtones, The Velvet Rope's textures are warm and inviting, striking a balance between soft and gritty that's reflected right in the album's title. Jackson's breathless dirty talk has since grown tired, but Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis's expert use of her looped whimpers and moans—and, of course, those luscious harmonies—on standout cuts like “My Need” and “Rope Burn” is nothing short of orgasmic. Cinquemani http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-10-best-albums-of-1997/P1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted May 10, 2017 Author Share Posted May 10, 2017 Pitchfork: The 200 Best Songs of the 1980sJanet Jackson"Love Will Never Do (Without You)"27Listen on Apple MusicThere isn’t a modern analog for the fearless daring of Janet Jackson’s Rhythm Nation 1814 album cycle. Dressed in stark monochrome and executing choreography that resembled hand-to-hand combat more than traditional hip-hop dance, Jackson chased her 1986 breakthrough Control with a brash political gambit. "Love Will Never Do (Without You)" seems to hang back on the seriousness of Rhythm Nation’s social consciousness in favor of a simple song of devotion—though "simple" does this towering six-minute epic very little justice. Everything in the mix hits like percussion, and Janet’s voice glides coolly over top as she celebrates her lover while sneakily letting him know she could have anyone she wants. Beyoncé stepping out in1814 gear on a recent Halloween night confirmed what some of us suspected all along: Homegirl’s been taking notes. —Craig Jenkins http://pitchfork.com/features/lists-and-guides/9700-the-200-best-songs-of-the-1980s/?page=9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women17. Janet JacksonControl (A&M, 1986)There would be no Rhythm Nation, Janet, or Velvet Rope without Control. This was the breakout album for then-19-year-old Janet Jackson, who until then was fondly known as Michael Jackson's little sister, Penny from Good Times and Willis' girlfriend on Diff'rent Strokes. She fired her dad as her manager, got with producers Terry Lewis and Jimmy Jam from The Time, and made an album that clearly said "I'm a grown-ass woman," in case anyone was confused. The album, released February 1986, took on important issues such as sexual harassment, safe sex and abstinence, and we sang right along with her, making hits out of "What Have You Don't For Me Lately," "Nasty," "Control," "When I Think Of You," "Let's Wait Awhile" and "Funny How Time Flies (When You're Having Fun)." But Janet did something especially pivotal with the video for "Pleasure Principle," another single from the album. She walked alone into an empty loft with kneepads on, kicked over a chair, cabbage-patched and clarified for those in the cheap seats that she was as great a performer as her big brother: "Ba-by you can't hold me down! Ba-by you can't hold me dow-ow-own!" —Tanya Ballard Brown (NPR Staff) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amy Posted July 24, 2017 Share Posted July 24, 2017 The list was compiled by http://Www.npr.org if anyone wants to complain. They acknowledge Rhythm Nation, Janet. and The Velvet Rope so why not include them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted July 24, 2017 Author Share Posted July 24, 2017 The list was compiled by http://Www.npr.org if anyone wants to complain. They acknowledge Rhythm Nation, Janet. and The Velvet Rope so why not include them?Control is the breakout album, so it's more of a "first impression" type album, thus making it more memorable despite RN1814 and TVR undoubtedly being better albums. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotboy06 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 The 150 Greatest Albums Made By Women17. Janet JacksonControl (A&M, 1986)There would be no Rhythm Nation, Janet, or Velvet Rope without Control. This was the breakout album for then-19-year-old Janet Jackson, who until then was fondly known as Michael Jackson's little sister, Penny from Good Times and Willis' girlfriend on Diff'rent Strokes. She fired her dad as her manager, got with producers Terry Lewis and Jimmy Jam from The Time, and made an album that clearly said "I'm a grown-ass woman," in case anyone was confused. The album, released February 1986, took on important issues such as sexual harassment, safe sex and abstinence, and we sang right along with her, making hits out of "What Have You Don't For Me Lately," "Nasty," "Control," "When I Think Of You," "Let's Wait Awhile" and "Funny How Time Flies (When You're Having Fun)." But Janet did something especially pivotal with the video for "Pleasure Principle," another single from the album. She walked alone into an empty loft with kneepads on, kicked over a chair, cabbage-patched and clarified for those in the cheap seats that she was as great a performer as her big brother: "Ba-by you can't hold me down! Ba-by you can't hold me dow-ow-own!" —Tanya Ballard Brown (NPR Staff)Legendary. Iconic. Classic. Timeless.Her best album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotboy06 Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 The list was compiled by http://Www.npr.org if anyone wants to complain. They acknowledge Rhythm Nation, Janet. and The Velvet Rope so why not include them?Exactly. The top ten is a mess and RN and/or VR could have easily replaced a couple of those placements in the top ten. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Control is the breakout album, so it's more of a "first impression" type album, thus making it more memorable despite RN1814 and TVR undoubtedly being better albums.I agree, I think Control was a breakout ground breaking album, BUT it's not superior to some of Janet's other work certainly not the quality of TVR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted July 25, 2017 Author Share Posted July 25, 2017 I agree, I think Control was a breakout ground breaking album, BUT it's not superior to some of Janet's other work certainly not the quality of TVRWell Control is definitely better than janet. There's no doubt about it. And I was hesitant to post that NPR article because I just knew certain people would come in and do more than what was required of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted July 25, 2017 Share Posted July 25, 2017 Well Control is definitely better than janet. There's no doubt about it. #AlternativeFact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted July 25, 2017 Author Share Posted July 25, 2017 #AlternativeFact Too bad many of us have already agreed. http://planetjanet.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/974-control-vs-janet/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayneashleymusic Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 (edited) Well Control is definitely better than janet. There's no doubt about it. And I was hesitant to post that NPR article because I just knew certain people would come in and do more than what was required of them. So tough to quantify there, b/c as bodies of work, Control and Janet. had such different goals. Control is basically a shocker... I mean club banger after club banger each in a row. It's about the sound, and the lyrics, with everything to the hilt and it's not until the last couple of tracks that Janet even cracks the armor. The goals for Janet. are almost the opposite perspective. Even the banger tracks are couched with playful, coquettish interludes. The way a song like Any Time Any Place just slow jams with barely a wisp of the vocals. And of course those classic atmospheric sounds. Just... different. Control is more cohesive b/c they don't really stray from the the formula too much. It works, it establishes the identity Janet needed at the time. Janet. is piece designed to stretch the full range of emotion. Among the two I prefer Control, but ATAP is one of my favorite songs... EVER. Edited July 26, 2017 by wayneashleymusic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Too bad many of us have already agreed. http://planetjanet.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/974-control-vs-janet/ .......a poll from 6yrs completed mostly by inactive members here doesnt really hold weight isnt enough to turn a lie into the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 Too bad many of us have already agreed. http://planetjanet.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/974-control-vs-janet/ Im trying to figure out when an opinion becomes either fact or truth and therefore is a "lie" isnt a lie something that is not only lacking in a factual basis but can be proven? Can anyone here prove that Control is inferior or superior to Janet ? but more than required is taking place for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted July 26, 2017 Share Posted July 26, 2017 I'm trying to figure out why a exchange that isn't or wasn't a anything more than a fun debate/exchange about strong opposing opinions is being attempted to be overdramatized by a 3rd party, who doesn't even realize both sides are generalizing in a heavily opinionated way yet is trying to pick a side, that's the only thing that was more than required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 .......a poll from 6yrs completed mostly by inactive members here doesnt really hold weight isnt enough to turn a lie into the truth Time frame nor member activity invalidates the validity of the poll or public opinion. Being that both albums have had more than two decades to age, I bet if you make the same thread today the results would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotboy06 Posted July 27, 2017 Share Posted July 27, 2017 Time frame nor member activity invalidates the validity of the poll or public opinion. Being that both albums have had more than two decades to age, I bet if you make the same thread today the results would be the same. If WITOY was released today, it would still sound fresh. Legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted July 27, 2017 Author Share Posted July 27, 2017 So tough to quantify there, b/c as bodies of work, Control and Janet. had such different goals. Control is basically a shocker... I mean club banger after club banger each in a row. It's about the sound, and the lyrics, with everything to the hilt and it's not until the last couple of tracks that Janet even cracks the armor. The goals for Janet. are almost the opposite perspective. Even the banger tracks are couched with playful, coquettish interludes. The way a song like Any Time Any Place just slow jams with barely a wisp of the vocals. And of course those classic atmospheric sounds. Just... different. Control is more cohesive b/c they don't really stray from the the formula too much. It works, it establishes the identity Janet needed at the time. Janet. is piece designed to stretch the full range of emotion. Among the two I prefer Control, but ATAP is one of my favorite songs... EVER. Simply why Control is the better album. Plus the concept of control is a bit more developed than that of janet.If WITOY was released today, it would still sound fresh. Legend.It wouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 (edited) Time frame nor member activity invalidates the validity of the poll or public opinion. Being that both albums have had more than two decades to age, I bet if you make the same thread today the results would be the same. Both invalidates it, people can change their mind (come to their senses)....its 6 years....2 would be enough tp make it useless. Even if more misguided members overtook a recent poll, it doesn't take away from the fact that janet. simply put as a whole aged much better, despite the cohesiveness of Control, janet gives way more variety, insight to her, her skills as a writer & producer. Cohesion doesnt make a album good, great songs do, and janet wins in that, it provides a variety of great songs. Control is a great starting point, but its seriously the weakest link in the albums of the JanJamLewis 86-01 work. Edited July 28, 2017 by jarrylf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 Both invalidates it, people can change their mind (come to their senses)....its 6 years....2 would be enough tp make it useless. Even if more misguided members overtook a recent poll, it doesn't take away from the fact that janet. simply put as a whole aged much better, despite the cohesiveness of Control, janet gives way more variety, insight to her, her skills as a writer & producer. Cohesion doesnt make a album good, great songs do, and janet wins in that, it provides a variety of great songs. Control is a great starting point, but its seriously the weakest link in the albums of the JanJamLewis 86-01 work.I'm not sure who bullied you as a child, but you need to let that hurt go. And you say this while discussing Control being included in a womens GOAT albums list at number 17 out of 150 albums. If anything, janet. is the weakest link of Janet's signature four. It's the least cohesive and unnecessarily long. The concept is not as developed as on Control. Furthermore, it does not have the significance of Control, RN1814, or TVR when it comes to career-defining artistic output, notoriety, critical praise, or legacy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I think we can agree that the Control & janet. albums are the bottom two. We can discuss until the dogs come home which is fourth and which is fifth.. they’re the bottom with AFY rounding third and the top positions between RN1814 & TVR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotboy06 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 He Doesn't Know I'm God>>>>>Janet Battle came through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotboy06 Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 Both invalidates it, people can change their mind (come to their senses)....its 6 years....2 would be enough tp make it useless. Even if more misguided members overtook a recent poll, it doesn't take away from the fact that janet. simply put as a whole aged much better, despite the cohesiveness of Control, janet gives way more variety, insight to her, her skills as a writer & producer. Cohesion doesnt make a album good, great songs do, and janet wins in that, it provides a variety of great songs. Control is a great starting point, but its seriously the weakest link in the albums of the JanJamLewis 86-01 work.BE GONE WITH THOSE LIES AND BLASPHEMY!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted July 28, 2017 Author Share Posted July 28, 2017 BE GONE WITH THOSE LIES AND BLASPHEMY!! I just realized he suggested that AFY is better than Control. What is going on with today's youth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlite Posted July 28, 2017 Share Posted July 28, 2017 I think we can agree that the Control & janet. albums are the bottom two. We can discuss until the dogs come home which is fourth and which is fifth.. they’re the bottom with AFY rounding third and the top positions between RN1814 & TVRall for u is like her 7th best album Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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