jarrylf Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 I feel like I connect with her in a whole new way, cause I feel the same way with my sexuality and identity! It was a really great interview, she seems like such a awesome person, and she name dropped Janet twice (she said maybe 1 day she'll be sexy on stage like Janet and when Oprah asked who is her Celebrity Crush? JANET) I so hope when they do Janet's story in some form Raven can play her, cause I think she'd do her justice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 When is Oprah gonna interview real celebs again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downeaznboi Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 She looks good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 She looks good Right, Im picky with girls and that weird colored hair, but a few wear it well, and she's 1 of those few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EphraimAdamz Posted October 6, 2014 Share Posted October 6, 2014 She looks nice but anyway's she's black. Its cute to be colorblind but in the real world you're black and will be discriminated against as such. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I didn't know she was so well-spoken. I like her Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackboy Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 She's foolish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 I didn't know she was so well-spoken. I like her Right, that made me like her a bit more, she always gave good interviews, but yea he personality and opinion & view point on her life and who she is and what she wants. She's awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 She's foolish for the african american comment yeah but I do understand her but she does know she's black. As for not wanting to be called gay I get that too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 for the african american comment yeah but I do understand her but she does know she's black. As for not wanting to be called gay I get that too She's foolish for both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 She's foolish for both nope I know a few people who don't wanna be put in a category. He's attracted to whatever at the time. Girls or guys and he pretty much said the same thing Raven did. He won't say he's gay or bi he said he likes everybody lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 nope I know a few people who don't wanna be put in a category. He's attracted to whatever at the time. Girls or guys and he pretty much said the same thing Raven did. He won't say he's gay or bi he said he likes everybody lol Doesn't matter if they want to be put in a category or not.. They're in it and there's nothing they can do about it Sorry #notsorry I'm not here for that old news "no categories" crude.. It's a fantasy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Doesn't matter if they want to be put in a category or not.. They're in it and there's nothing they can do about it Sorry #notsorry I'm not here for that old news "no categories" crude.. It's a fantasy. who says it matters? Fact is there are people in this world who don't put labels on themselves even if the rest of the world does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 who says it matters? Fact is there are people in this world who don't put labels on themselves even if the rest of the world does Society says it matters.. And society >>> Fact is.. They're still labeled whether they like it or not, whether they're gay, bi, woman, man.. Labels are everywhere and there's no hiding from it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSimba Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I get her idealistic point of view. As long as she's happy that's what matters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Society says it matters.. And society >>> Fact is.. They're still labeled whether they like it or not, whether they're gay, bi, woman, man.. Labels are everywhere and there's no hiding from it well unlike you everybody doesn't follow in what society says matters It doesn't matter whether they like it or not cause they're still not gonna label themselves just cause society labels them. Got it? Good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 well unlike you everybody doesn't follow in what society says matters It doesn't matter whether they like it or not cause they're still not gonna label themselves just cause society labels them. Got it? Good I got it but they clearly don't matter. Their family, friends, etc label them for what they are Raven is a lesbo and she can pretend she's not.. But she is what she is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyna ♔ Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I love her, I do, but I've never understood a lot of these "anti-labeling" arguments. If you're being labeled correctly, then what does it matter? Categorizing is a human trait. It helps us understand our world and relate to each other. It isn't intrinsically bad. It's just nature. If you are " a doctor who specializes in the treatment of the skin", are you not also a "dermatologist"? If you are a "female homosexual", are you not also a "lesbian"? The way labels/definitions work is whether you describe yourself in detail or with just one or two words you're basically saying the same thing. That's just what you are. There's honestly no reason to get upset with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 I get it, she doesn't want anything about her to be boxed, or limited, or at least she refuses to do it herself, Im conviinced she's not gay, that she is in fact (tho it's still labeling her) bi-sexual, because that's a common side I get from bi guys & gals. And being 1 myself I'm like that to an extent, but it doesn't matter me when people cattegorize me, it just matters how I view myself basically, and that shold be all of us, that basically our labels are limitations & expectations and refusing to go by them is a way to leave yourself open. But the contradiction of it all is if your someone who doesn't want to label themselfvels, you're labeling yourself that LOL That's my understanding of it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyna ♔ Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I get it, she doesn't want anything about her to be boxed, or limited, or at least she refuses to do it herself, Im conviinced she's not gay, that she is in fact (tho it's still labeling her) bi-sexual, because that's a common side I get from bi guys & gals. And being 1 myself I'm like that to an extent, but it doesn't matter me when people cattegorize me, it just matters how I view myself basically, and that shold be all of us, that basically our labels are limitations & expectations and refusing to go by them is a way to leave yourself open. But the contradiction of it all is if your someone who doesn't want to label themselfvels, you're labeling yourself that LOL That's my understanding of it all. I still don't understand it. I mean there are many words we have given to describe what we feel. If you don't believe that one applies to you then simply change it. Language evolves with us. You aren't stuck with it forever. Little Richard has changed what he labels himself for YEARS. Sexuality can be very fluid for many people. There's nothing wrong with that. She can label herself as bisexual or even pansexual if she's open to just about anyone. They're labels and they fit the idea of herself she's claiming better. I'm bi as well, as you know, but even in the context of myself I can't make sense of this running from being labeled. Again, if you're labeled correctly then what's the problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaria Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Raven is a carpet munching bull dyke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Raven is a carpet munching bull dyke Lipstick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I get it, she doesn't want anything about her to be boxed, or limited, or at least she refuses to do it herself, Im conviinced she's not gay, that she is in fact (tho it's still labeling her) bi-sexual, because that's a common side I get from bi guys & gals. And being 1 myself I'm like that to an extent, but it doesn't matter me when people cattegorize me, it just matters how I view myself basically, and that shold be all of us, that basically our labels are limitations & expectations and refusing to go by them is a way to leave yourself open. But the contradiction of it all is if your someone who doesn't want to label themselfvels, you're labeling yourself that LOL That's my understanding of it all. There's no literal limit or box that holds her (or anyone) back from doing what she wants to do To dismiss "labels" and "categories" is just an egotistical way of expressing yourself... "I enjoy penises in my mouth and women are not attractive... but I'm not gay".. Nah.. You're just a douche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 I still don't understand it. I mean there are many words we have given to describe what we feel. If you don't believe that one applies to you then simply change it. Language evolves with us. You aren't stuck with it forever. Little Richard has changed what he labels himself for YEARS. Sexuality can be very fluid for many people. There's nothing wrong with that. She can label herself as bisexual or even pansexual if she's open to just about anyone. They're labels and they fit the idea of herself she's claiming better. I'm bi as well, as you know, but even in the context of myself I can't make sense of this running from being labeled. Again, if you're labeled correctly then what's the problem? I feel you, I think what it is is when our titles change you have to somewhat explain that, OR you don't want to be a refference or face of a label. That's what I gather from the folks I know like that. Like I really think it's about leaving the door open to make all the changes about you you want without having to explain or change your title 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyna ♔ Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I feel you, I think what it is is when our titles change you have to somewhat explain that, OR you don't want to be a refference or face of a label. That's what I gather from the folks I know like that. Like I really think it's about leaving the door open to make all the changes about you you want without having to explain or change your title I can definitely understand the frustration of explaining yourself sometimes. It can be a pain, but sometimes it is necessary just for the sake of human interaction. Talking to each other makes for better connections. Being a reference or a face can come with the territory which while also potentially frustrating is also necessary. I mean I'd rather my non-bi friends use me as a reference on my experiences of bisexuality instead of assuming things. Same for just about any other label I give myself. Once again, it makes for better connections. We're all free to explore and come to understand ourselves how we see fit, but if we want connection then we have to be able and willing to communicate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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