So..basically..

[janetDAYZ]

This board thinks that any male singer who is a dancer is a carbon copy of Michael and any female singer who dances is a straight up carbon copy of Janet. Just becuz these artists dance it automatically makes them carbon copies of those two siblings. Interesting. As if Michael and Janet created "dance".. is it fair to call them ALL clones even if their style of dance is not exactly aligned with either of those two?

I mean...really?

Whitney was the best singer but did we call other females who could sing carbon copies or did we just compare them to Whitney in order to rank their vocal ability? Is this a double standard? Discuss. What do you feel? What do you believe?

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

Whitney was the best singer? talk about reaching

[Aquaria]

I totally agree with you. This is why Madonna is so underrated and deserves more credit than she gets

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

I totally agree with you. This is why Madonna is so underrated and deserves more credit than she gets

Talk about off topic.. Let's stick to talented artists only

[janetDAYZ]

Talk about off topic.. Let's stick to talented artists only

Then talk about em. All you did was debate Whitney being the voice of our time... That's not the focal point...fill in that blank with whoever you'd like(tho it would be comical to see you attempt to name another vocalist who was better than Whitney at her best. Whitney was to vocalist what MJ was to entertainers.. to refute that would be foolish on ur part..the world said so. They weren't called "THE VOICE" and "The Best Entertainer that ever lived" for nothing) ...but discuss the topic at hand -not the side debates,its not important. Stay on track

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

My thoughts on Whitney hasn't changed. Did she have the largest, loudest voice of her generation? Yeah but a vocalist to me, means more than screaming into a mic

MJ earned his title through hard work and perseverance.. Writing, producing, touring, etc

As far as a carbon copy goes.. It's any young thang that is Imitating what a previous artist has done but worse

[ThatOtherFan]

This board thinks that any male singer who is a dancer is a carbon copy of Michael and any female singer who dances is a straight up carbon copy of Janet. Just becuz these artists dance it automatically makes them carbon copies of those two siblings. Interesting. As if Michael and Janet created "dance".. is it fair to call them ALL clones even if their style of dance is not exactly aligned with either of those two?

I mean...really?

Whitney was the best singer but did we call other females who could sing carbon copies or did we just compare them to Whitney in order to rank their vocal ability? Is this a double standard? Discuss. What do you feel? What do you believe?

 

 

Yes.

 

Anything else you want to discuss? 

[LawdToday]

Talk about off topic.. Let's stick to talented artists only

 

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[JoeJoe]

This board thinks that any male singer who is a dancer is a carbon copy of Michael and any female singer who dances is a straight up carbon copy of Janet. Just becuz these artists dance it automatically makes them carbon copies of those two siblings. Interesting. As if Michael and Janet created "dance".. is it fair to call them ALL clones even if their style of dance is not exactly aligned with either of those two?

I mean...really?

Whitney was the best singer but did we call other females who could sing carbon copies or did we just compare them to Whitney in order to rank their vocal ability? Is this a double standard? Discuss. What do you feel? What do you believe?

It's not Michael or Janet's fault that they started a dance revolution and set the standard and became Legends and Icons. Mya, Beyonce, Ciara, and Tinashe don't dance like Janet but it's clear you can see they're influenced by her. Not only the people on the board but everybody in the world was saying how Ciara was a carbon copy of Janet when Ciara first came on the scene

 

My thoughts on Whitney hasn't changed. Did she have the largest, loudest voice of her generation? Yeah but a vocalist to me, means more than screaming into a mic

MJ earned his title through hard work and perseverance.. Writing, producing, touring, etc

As far as a carbon copy goes.. It's any young thang that is Imitating what a previous artist has done but worse

Whitney screaming into the mic? No you probably have her confused with Patti, Aretha, or Celine. Whitney has done it a few times but she doesn't scream like you're saying.

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

Whitney screaming into the mic? No you probably have her confused with Patti, Aretha, or Celine. Whitney has done it a few times but she doesn't scream like you're saying.

not everything should be taken literal Joe

[janetDAYZ]

My thoughts on Whitney hasn't changed. Did she have the largest, loudest voice of her generation? Yeah but a vocalist to me, means more than screaming into a mic

MJ earned his title through hard work and perseverance.. Writing, producing, touring, etc

As far as a carbon copy goes.. It's any young thang that is Imitating what a previous artist has done but worse

Fine, we heard you about Whitney...and she didn't have the loudest voice she was considered the ultimate vocalist because of her skills vocally it had nothing to do with the projection of her voice. So get that right, FIRST. And like I said...if she was not the ultimate to you...then entertain me, WHO WAS? You skip right over filling in that blank and giving a "better" answer. Still waiting. If you have nothing, then why refute to begin with? Not understanding

[janetDAYZ]

Yes.

Anything else you want to discuss?

Can we step outside of being a Stan for once to have a real legitimate conversation that's not filtered through your infatuation with artist?

[jarrylf]

It's not our fault most of these artists stick to the blue prints of the 2 best male & female pop entertainers of all time. We can't help it we just notice. Hell Janelle Monae's dancing doesn't remind me of Janet (reminds me of Prince), so I don't get the over the topness of "ANY performer" because theres some that don't follow the MJ & JJ blueprints of dance/perfoming.

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

Fine, we heard you about Whitney...and she didn't have the loudest voice she was considered the ultimate vocalist because of her skills vocally it had nothing to do with the projection of her voice. So get that right, FIRST. And like I said...if she was not the ultimate to you...then entertain me, WHO WAS?

She was considered the "ultimate vocalist" but it takes more than vocals to move me.. I put Mariah above Whitney simply bc Mariah is a true artist and Whitney was a tool in the music industry.

I know you're gonna disagree or say something about "I asked you about vocals not artistry" but it's not JUST about vocals

[ThatOtherFan]

Can we step outside of being a Stan for once to have a real legitimate conversation that's not filtered through your infatuation with artist?

 

 

It's not our fault most of these artists stick to the blue prints of the 2 best male & female pop entertainers of all time. We can't help it we just notice. Hell Janelle Monae's dancing doesn't remind me of Janet (reminds me of Prince), so I don't get the over the topness of "ANY performer" because theres some that don't follow the MJ & JJ blueprints of dance/perfoming.

 

 

This.

 

Now as I said before... anything else you want to discuss, Dayz? 

[janetDAYZ]

The SAME limited answers

We know we know ..WE KNOW for the billionth time Michael & Janet are the blueprint for dancers who followed. No one denied that... But I challange you ppl to see the picture beyond this small scope.

But then again I can't expect you all to get it because you're observers..you're not "dancers" ..trained or natural born. Therefore I see things from a scope because I'm those things. I come from a background of the dance word. I've had convos wit fellow my dancers over the yrs and its my conclusion that dancers see it from a more objective standpoint. For instance .. when I look at Ciara, I see Janet as in Ciara is what you call "hard hitting" like Janet but that's where it ends. There is nothing else similar about their dance style AT ALL. Ciara's style is far more street. She's like a female version of a b-boy. Janet is NOT. It's not what she does,period. Aaliyah.. she doesn't remind me of Janet at all because it common knowledge that Aaliyah was a "smooth" dancer, a dancer who moved as if she was a jazz dancer,if you will. Janet does not dance like that. What Janet does, is what you call "dances big"...Aaliyah was not that. Two totally different styles. Mya, with her training and technique most certainly has a more technical way of dancing that sets her apart becuz of her training and background. Tbh, mya can do a lil bit of all of them. I seen Mya go from Aaliyah,jazz moves to Ciara hard hitting street shit. Mya has major range as a dancer and isn't limited but she's nothing like Janet. Janet is a natural born ,self taught dancer. Those ladies styles are of their own which is why the danceworld seperates them unlike you all, the viewing public.

Now with the fellas. Yes, Omari,Chris, and Usher etc.. have taken certain elements of Michael BUT still blended it in with their own style and technique as Michael did when he took from James Brown. For example, Chris & Omari do what you call "floor work" which means doin choreography with your back on the floor. Michael never did that...all of his stuff is in an upright position. Omari & Chris are apart of a whole new generation of dancers who do more than ist what Michael did. To say these artists are influenced? Most certainly but to say they are straight up clones NOT AT ALL. Clones mean you're at least similar AMD they are not from what I just explained. Out of all the females, I would say the closest to being a Janet clone is J.lo becuz she dances big like Janet and their choreo could be interchangeable. But that's bout the only female I can think of who is slightly similar stylewise

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

But then again I can't expect you all to get it because you're observers..you're not "dancers" ..trained or natural born.

oh... ok so.. Basically..you ask us a question then dismiss it and answer it yourself and we're suppose to take your word for it

because you're a.... dancer..

[Escapade]

The SAME limited answers

We know we know ..WE KNOW for the billionth time Michael & Janet are the blueprint for dancers who followed. No one denied that... But I challange you ppl to see the picture beyond this small scope.

But then again I can't expect you all to get it because you're observers..you're not "dancers" ..trained or natural born. Therefore I see things from a scope because I'm those things. I come from a background of the dance word. I've had convos wit fellow my dancers over the yrs and its my conclusion that dancers see it from a more objective standpoint. For instance .. when I look at Ciara, I see Janet as in Ciara is what you call "hard hitting" like Janet but that's where it ends. There is nothing else similar about their dance style AT ALL. Ciara's style is far more street. She's like a female version of a b-boy. Janet is NOT. It's not what she does,period. Aaliyah.. she doesn't remind me of Janet at all because it common knowledge that Aaliyah was a "smooth" dancer, a dancer who moved as if she was a jazz dancer,if you will. Janet does not dance like that. What Janet does, is what you call "dances big"...Aaliyah was not that. Two totally different styles. Mya, with her training and technique most certainly has a more technical way of dancing that sets her apart becuz of her training and background. Tbh, mya can do a lil bit of all of them. I seen Mya go from Aaliyah,jazz moves to Ciara hard hitting street shit. Mya has major range as a dancer and isn't limited but she's nothing like Janet. Janet is a natural born ,self taught dancer. Those ladies styles are of their own which is why the danceworld seperates them unlike you all, the viewing public.

Now with the fellas. Yes, Omari,Chris, and Usher etc.. have taken certain elements of Michael BUT still blended it in with their own style and technique as Michael did when he took from James Brown. For example, Chris & Omari do what you call "floor work" which means doin choreography with your back on the floor. Michael never did that...all of his stuff is in an upright position. Omari & Chris are apart of a whole new generation of dancers who do more than ist what Michael did. To say these artists are influenced? Most certainly but to say they are straight up clones NOT AT ALL. Clones mean you're at least similar AMD they are not from what I just explained. Out of all the females, I would say the closest to being a Janet clone is J.lo becuz she dances big like Janet and their choreo could be interchangeable. But that's bout the only female I can think of who is slightly similar stylewise

Then why ask in the first place?

[EphraimAdamz]

You have to consider the era in which Janet and Mike set the tone..... early music video era. Thriller and RN aren't just routines..... The Temptations had routines. It's the fact that Thriller and Contorl/RN are the first MUSIC VIDEO routines to have such impact on the industry. It was a medium that was totally new, so it set the blueprint for everyone to follow. MTV basically blew up from it. The Jackson 5 and the other family variety shows also set a new marketing tone.

 

Freestyle doesn't automatically equal street either. After all, Pleasure Principle and Beat It were all considered street styles of there respective times. MJ freestyles and pop locked on the regular. Some of the new kids today may add a booty pop or back flip here and there but they are still essentially extensions of Janet & MJ, no matter how "street" they are.

 

NEWBIES & THEIR ALTER EGOS:

 

Britney Spears = Madonna Jackson

Ciara = Aaliyah Jackson

Usher = Michael Brown (James Brown/MJ)

Mya = Paula Jackson)

Beyonce = Tina Jackson

JLo (Janet's Backup Dancer)

Arianna Grande = Mariah Houston

Justin Timberlake = Micheal Prince Gaye (MJ/Prince/Marvin Gaye)

 

They may all try to trick by meshing styles from other legends together, but there's always some Jackson in there. Not to mention most of them admit it.

[EphraimAdamz]

You also have to note that MJ and James brown are known for having their own moves titled after them. Do The James Brown, The Moonwalk, and the Smooth Criminal Lean.

 

The new kids today don't have that. Hell... MJ's glove is more iconic than any of their careers or music videos.

 

At least Ciara has the matrix

 

Chris brown is a great dancer but what trends is he setting? What moves are named or inspired after him? Who's replicating the choreography? What flash mobs are getting together the same way they do RN and IF?

 

I see prison inmates doing Thriller but which inmates are checking for Shawty Get Loose?

[jarrylf]

So basically this isn't a discussion but a pedistool to complain about the lack of appreciation we/most give these lessor newbies whose dance moves are at most 40% original or unique and at least 60% inspired by Mj, Janet or someone else before the 90s. If you're mad most chop them up to the copiers they are, then they need heavier doses of originality. Again I maintain you can't be mad at us that these lesser's don't stray from the imitation scripts enough.

[EphraimAdamz]

They set the bar so high I don't see how you can not be inspired by them lol

 

The internet didn't help either. It might make you blow up faster, but it also allowed the rest of the world to easily bust them for their copycatting fraud

[TwistedElegance™]

oh... ok so.. Basically..you ask us a question then dismiss it and answer it yourself and we're suppose to take your word for it

because you're a.... dancer..

Then why ask in the first place?

Clock a bit.

[Bailey]

All art in some form or another is inspired but something that came before it, the problem isn't the newbies are inspired by the greats it's the lack of their own style....Justin is smooth but Take Back the Night as a song was a MJ rip off plain and simple

I just wish the new kids took more time to develop their own act but the industry now is designed to turn out a quick dollar discard and move on to the next thing.....few in the music business today are iconic I can see Beyoncé coming there but even with her lots of Tina in her act

[hotboy06]

I'm not following what this discussion is about.  Michael and Janet never created dance.  They created a template that others were forced to follow.  That's why they are always cited as being the best entertainers EVER.  It's not their fault that their influence and impact will forever live on from the trail they blazed.

 

But objectively speaking, I can see that for most female dancers, they are directly or indirectly influenced by Janet.  Ciara is more street.  Mya is versatile. J. LO is damn near great as a dancer.  Britney is a clone(but doesn't have the natural gift of dance like Janet), etc.

 

And for males, it's damn near the same thing with Michael.