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Tidal Accused of Falsifying Beyonce and Kanye West Streaming Numbers

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" Tidal has been accused of intentionally falsifying streaming numbers for Beyonce’s “Lemonade” and Kanye West’s “Life of Pablo” albums and consequently paying inflated royalties to the artists’ labels, in a report by Norwegian newspaper Dagens Næringsliv (via Music Business Worldwide). The paper has accused Tidal, which is primarily owned by Beyonce’s husband Jay-Z, of inflating its subscriber numbers in the past, claims the company has denied; in a statement to Variety, it also denied the latest accusations.

Tidal, which has rarely shared its data publicly, had a streaming exclusive on West’s album for its first six weeks of release and continues to be the exclusive streamer for Beyonce’s album. It claimed that West’s album had been streamed 250 million times in its first 10 days of release in February of 2016, while claiming it had just 3 million subscribers — a claim that would have meant every subscriber played the album an average of eight times per day; and that Beyonce’s album was streamed 306 million times in its first 15 days of release in April of 2016.

These claims led the Norwegian paper to investigate the service’s numbers and report that it was intentionally inflating its subscriber count, a report supported by research from British firm Midia, which estimated that Tidal’s total number of subscribers was closer to 1 million globally.

Today’s report, according to MBW’s translation, says that “Beyoncé’s and Kanye West’s listener numbers on Tidal have been manipulated to the tune of several hundred million false plays… which has generated massive royalty payouts at the expense of other artists.” It bases this claim on data contained within a hard drive it obtained that “contains ‘billions of rows of [internal TIDAL data]: times and song titles, user IDs and country codes.” Tidal has disputed the information on the hard drive, but the paper asserts that it matches information received by labels for the time period.

In a statement provided to Variety, Tidal responded: “This is a smear campaign from a publication that once referred to our employee as an ‘Israeli Intelligence officer’ and our owner as a ‘crack dealer.’ We expect nothing less from them than this ridiculous story, lies and falsehoods. The information was stolen and manipulated and we will fight these claims vigorously.” The quotes reference descriptions of Jay-Z and Tidal COO/Roc Nation executive Lior Tibon in a previous Dagens Næringsliv article, which were technically accurate at one time but are decades out of date.

The paper supported its findings with data from NTNU – the Norwegian University of Science and Technology – which it says has “assembled some of Norway’s leading experts in data security and cybercrime prevention.” Its report reads in part, “Using advanced statistical analysis of the data provided by DN, NTNU determined that there had in fact been a manipulation of the data at particular times due to the large presence of similar duplicate records occurring for a large percentage of the userbase that was active at any given time. In reviewing the data, in isolation from any other records or logs, it was not possible to determine the exact means of manipulation; however, the absence of records with unreadable data suggested it was not an external Structured Query Language Injection (SQLi) vector based attacked, but rather manipulation from within the streaming service itself. Due to the targeted nature and extent of the manipulation, it is very unlikely that this manipulation was solely the result of a code based bug or other system anomaly. The following analysis shows in detail why this conclusion is the most likely conclusion and further, the nature and extent it is suspected that the manipulation has affected the accuracy of the data … The manipulation appears targeted towards a very specific set of track IDs, related to two distinct albums,” “Pablo” and “Lemonade.” The report can be viewed here.

Additionally, the paper contacted several Tidal users and presented them with logs of their individual play counts taken from the hard drive, which said one user played tracks from “Lemonade” 180 times in 24 hours. “No, that can’t be right,” the user, Tiare Faatea in Washington, DC, said.

According to the paper, Tidal paid Beyonce’s label Sony more than $4 million for April and May of 2016, of which “Lemonade” accounted for $2.5 million; it also paid West’s label Universal 3.2 million euros, 2 million for “Pablo.”

The paper says Tidal has strongly denied “manipulating streaming figures or tampering with royalty payments,” adding that “The lawyers claim that NTNU’s report is based on false assumptions. TIDAL believes that the data the report is based on is stolen, incomplete for the relevant periods, that DN has changed the data and has lied to NTNU about the origin and content of the data.” The company’s lawyer at Reed Smith, Jordan Siev, is quoted as saying: “As each of these assumptions is demonstrably false, you and DN lied to NTNU to procure a study”.

Reps for Beyonce, West, Sony and Universal either declined or did not immediately respond to Variety’s request for comment."

 

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I believe it.... who the fuck has Tidal? Not even Lemonade made me join that shit. 

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Wow that post came off a little hostile. -_- It’s not that deep. -_- 

Why is Norway so fucking nosy though? :umm: Are they just bored? 

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Its a little weird the "investigation".  How the fuck did they get individual people's names and contact info?  And then posting your shit like that and calling you to see if you listened to it that much?  Uhm.

That is pretty invasive and I am thinking about privacy issues here.

The royalty money gained doesn't seem worth it to me when your reputation as a company is put up against it.  I guess its possible its true but if not I would sue the shit out of these people

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19 hours ago, kidfresh832 said:

Its a little weird the "investigation".  How the fuck did they get individual people's names and contact info?  And then posting your shit like that and calling you to see if you listened to it that much?  Uhm.

That is pretty invasive and I am thinking about privacy issues here.

The royalty money gained doesn't seem worth it to me when your reputation as a company is put up against it.  I guess its possible its true but if not I would sue the shit out of these people

Their reputation has been in the pits since Jay Z took over tbh. This is just another hit in a long list of them. 

Tidal is a mess. I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens with all streaming companies but I’d rather Apple or Spotify just bought it out so we can be rid of it. 

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2 minutes ago, bu. said:

Their reputation has been in the pits since Jay Z took over tbh. This is just another hit in a long list of them. 

Tidal is a mess. I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens with all streaming companies but I’d rather Apple or Spotify just bought it out so we can be rid of it. 

I am sure Jay-z would love to be bought out.  Get a payout and maybe some Apple stock be done with it

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Of course Tidal lied. Wasn't nobody listening to Diet Squirt like that and it's barely at 3 million ww. The only songs from Lime Juice that were really even got any kind of rotation was "Formation" and:unsure:

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On 5/10/2018 at 3:43 PM, kidfresh832 said:

I am sure Jay-z would love to be bought out.  Get a payout and maybe some Apple stock be done with it

Lmao Apple ain’t buying a Tidal :lmao: 

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