Rock & Roll Hall of Game

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Anyone who thinks Damita Jo is better than anything between 1986-2001 is delusional. 

To put Damita Jo over janet. is a joke

1 hour ago, Lenzo88 said:

Ty Dolla $ign is actually still relevant and VERY popular,

not to mention worked on Caution with Mariah on “Caution”, with was one of the best songs on the album.

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Ehh

Ehhh x2

5 hours ago, Utopia said:

Djdnf I meant barbs but the autocorrect changed it to carbs

Works either way

2 minutes ago, janet.1814 said:

She literally described it has her and her schizophrenic personalities 

A shitty theme

24 minutes ago, janet.1814 said:

But the fact is that Damita Jo didn’t get the treatment it deserved. 

Had Janet not been blacklisted, toured, and outsold A4Y... you’d be singing a diff tune 

It got what it deserved 

Nah.. probably no tour since MJ decided to nap with little boys and get caught... Janet would have canceled the tour to go to his trial

1 hour ago, Jakob said:

Please stop acting like it's a fact that it's trash: it's just your opinion. I know a lot of Janet fans that love JALW and the Damita Jo album. Even compared to the 1986-2001 music, it's no trash in my opinion. 

"Lazy writing" is irrelevant: most critics were positive and it was a catchy pop/rock song. Radio listeners don't care about lyrics; they want a catchy song. I understand though that FANS expect songs with deeper meaning from Janet.

If 86-01 is the golden years, Damita Jo is silver.. 20 is Bronze and a Discipline is equivalent to 82-84 and didn’t place 

I love Damita Jo btw. I’m just not going to pretend it didn’t get what it deserved or that it’s Janet’s gold standard... bc it’s not. The singles were trash (chosen poorly) and the music was lackluster

6 minutes ago, Jakob said:

As you use the word "trash" a lot, I'm asking you: what is trash? Because to me, a trashy song is a terribly bad song i can't even listen to. JALW is totally different than anything Janet had ever done before and maybe that's why you don't like it (I could totally understand that), but calling it "trash" is far fetched.

How come the song did surprisingly well outside the US? If it such a trashy song, how come that most critics were positive? 

Anything that is subpar in comparison to 1986-2001 = trash 

“Totally different” =/= “good” especially when it comes to Janet Jackson. and JALW wasn’t that different. Just lazy writing by Janet 

Bc it was blacklisted in the States  

3 minutes ago, Jakob said:

First off, I'm comparing JALW to AFY because both had some sexual references and only one song got blacklisted. I'm gonna be clear: I also feel that AFY is better than JALW but the single deserved to be a bigger hit. 

In terms of radio spins: I stated that some people on this site wrote that JALW was all over radio and was being played more than AFY. 

Just take a look at Wikipedia. The JALW-page is full of sources claiming the upcoming success of the single when it leaked in January of 2004 and it was rushed to radio early February. You're not telling me that all these important media were completely wrong about the song. These people know what they talk about.

PLUS, JALW peaked at #3 or so in Canada. It was top 10 in several European countries and #1 in Japan for five weeks! How come the single was such a big success there yet YOU claim it got exactly what it deserved in the US? (Only peaking at #45) 

You cannot compare a legendary song to some trash. That’s like comparing “WBT” (tho not first single) to “GTFO” (Mariah Carey). The sexuality wasn’t an issue in 2001. It was post-2001

Some people = hearsay... I need to see the stats which have failed to do so I did it for you. JALW wasnt headed towards anything in the US

We not talking world wide. We talking USA... obviously. 

I want to note that AFY PEAKED at #14 without a commercial release..

AFY broke radio airplay records. The best airplay during week one  by being added by three major formats during week ONE. She held that record until Lady Gaga cheated

I also want to know AFY was the fastest added song on multiple formats and JALW was NOT

JALW was grabbed 80 adds on the pop level and 15 on rhythmic 

Stop comparing one of Janet’s most successful single to Just a Little Trash

1 hour ago, Jakob said:

A tv performance is not gonna make the masses buy your album or single. Your single needs to be on the radio everywhere, just like during the All For You era. 

Btw, didn't people say here that JALW actually WAS on the radio everywhere until it got removed from the playlists? And that it was even being played more than when the All For You single came out? Yes, JALW is a non-typical Janet song but it was fun and it was perfect for that time (and apparently, radio felt the same way!). 

And you want me to talk about how it was Janets fault... Okay. Let's be real here: Janet had sexual lyrics on the All For You single ("nice package", "ride it tonight"), yet it topped the chart for seven weeks. All For You is filled with sexual songs. Just like Damita Jo is filled with sexual songs. Thats why the single releases were the more innocent songs.She made sexual songs since '93. So, no I'm not blaming Janet or Jimmy or Terry for what they created.

“A” tv performance... no.. several and interviews, yes. That’s literally the point of promo tours   The single should all be great like AFY sans soag

It peaked where with radio? 60-something? I need actual proof that it was being played MORE than AFY... Where’s the data to support this claim (ignoring the fact that the Super Bowl controversy just happened, your opinion is just word of mouth from a few fans. JALW isnt as good or catchy as AFY which makes your claim far fetched)

Cool.. AFY isn’t the issue as it was one of her biggest hit bc it was fun, relatable, and catchy af summer... also one of her all time greatest songs. Comparing her biggest hit this century to Just a Little Trash or anything from 2004-2010 is a joke. 

If you can’t blame Janet for the quality of her work then you aren’t blaming the right person. Damita Jo was weak and pointless... while Janet has been a sex icon, Damita Jo made her a sex fiend and it wasn’t a classic Janet album... and it turned cringeworthy and FAST especially after her planned Super Bowl boobie. Damita Jo has zero retrospect, zero personality.. zero substance. Her music was her diary but her diary turned into a snuff book real quick at 38 years old. It was a janet. album reboot with nothing to show for except a great promo tour. The fact that you won’t condemn Janet’s Damita jo album’s lazy theme speaks volumes. You’re delusional. 

Im not saying you should hate the music. No. I still listen to it religiously to this day... but I’m not going to sit here and pretend Damita Jo is this amazing album that didn’t get the “attention it deserved”. The album got everything it deserved especially a bad critic score 

40 minutes ago, Jakob said:

Again, tv appearances don't make big numbers of people buying your album and singles. Your music videos need to be on TV, the singles need to be on the radio. Regular people hear the music there on a daily basis, they like it, they buy it. Thats how it works.

Now, think about how JALW was projected to be a big success. If that single (despite of your personal opinions) and the next singles weren't blacklisted it were gonna be top ten hits for sure. The music was still good. The music fits perfect in 2004. 

But it helped?  Like idk... performing on NBC’s biggest show? Being the #1 Google search?  Being everywhere BUT CBS & radio before streaming service and the cable decline took over. 

There’s that fantasy word: “projected”  It peaked so high on Billboard it’s not even worth talking about... I’m not here for fantasies. Reality is JALW was trash and so were the single choices. 

Yet Again, you didn’t explain how Janet’s creativity was sabotaged (ie writing and production). How the quality of her music declined SHARPLY in 2004-08. I’m waiting on you to place the blame on her... but you refuse to.. as she kept on with the sexual lyrics with ZERO SUBSTANCE  

17 minutes ago, Illi said:

Huh, none of what we are discussing (pertaining to the quality of the album) are facts.

 maybe you should speak for yourself 

FACT: nothing on Damita Jo can’t touch anything from the Legendary Five

8 minutes ago, Illi said:

Nope. Most of the other songs seem like it would do OK on Urban A/C, but Sexhibition is the only song the seems to have a great tempo, strong(ish) vocals, and catchy chorus. 

  Whatever you guys. Facts vs your fantasies 

2 hours ago, Bailey said:

see it there .....see what you did     

I’m confused? Is lunch a white thing? Is breakfast a white thing? So why is brunch a white thing when every race has done it?

22 minutes ago, Illi said:

Honestly the only song I really saw it for was Sexhibition, but the song is very short so I would have needed a rap feature or two.

Out of all the songs, you pick the worst* one

2 hours ago, Jakob said:

It helps but radio and tv is like 95% of promotion. If they don't play the music, you're not getting a #1 song. 

Huffington Post published an article last year on how Les Moonves instructed Viacom to ban ALL Janet's music, including the new singles. Like I told you before, the singles were projected to become hits. Then Moonves f***ed things up and too much damage was done (tv appearances were not gonna get Janet a top ten hit later that year).

Okay.. we got that it was banned from all radio (Viacom owns most radio stations) but Janet was on television throughout the entire era

None of what you said proves that Janet’s music, the actual writing/producing, was compromised 

My argument is Janet’s quality of music went down SHARPLY after AFY... You’re argument is about charts and radio.. those two arguments do not correlate 

26 minutes ago, Bailey said:

and to be clear "brunch" is a White folk thang tell me otherwise   it was a white dude that took me to it in the first place lol

Eating is a race thing? 

46 minutes ago, Jakob said:

Yes, she had interviews and stuff, but non-fans are not going to buy your album or singles unless they hear it on the radio frequently 

Isn’t promo (interviews, magazines, SNL) suppose to promote her album? While radio was a large entity to get music out, So was television which Janet was all over  

47 minutes ago, Jakob said:

Please tell me you're kidding. They sabotaged everything after February 2004.

Y’all talking but ain’t giving sources. How did they affect her writing/producing, single choices, etc

45 minutes ago, EphraimAdamz said:

oh good i need receipts for madonna fans thank think she does everything first

5 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

 If you dont have the "machine" of promotional avenues on your side...how tf can you be heard? how tf can you be seen? Do u know how much great material is never heard bc the machine is not behind them?

Yes, i agree DJ was weak (compared to her previous projects)

 

 

Janet was everywhere in 2004.. From late night to SNL to Will & Grace to every magazine that would have her pose half naked to Europe... Oprah... 2004 was her biggest promo year ever so you are wrong. While radio & CBS blacklist her, she was still on BET, ABC, NBC

Yes.. you agreed that Damita Jo was weak af compared to 1986-2001 so why the five paragraph essay?

We’re not talking about sales

12 minutes ago, EphraimAdamz said:

I was searching for her 2004 NY pride performance. Any idea if clips were ever around at that time?

Low quality. She calls herself a bottom in front of the crowd and the gays roared

12 hours ago, vibeology said:

did you change the video cuz what's there now wasn't there earlier!

He just Trumped you. Like he does realize you quoted him and now, there’s a different video 0_o 

Bc you’re late on everything

8 hours ago, janet.1814 said:

You don’t have to be in the studio to affect what goes on inside of it 

Who affected the production and writing of her sexed up lazy songs? 

I’m not here for conspiracy theories... like I told Aussie, conspiracy theories are for the loons