Mr. Wonder Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 47 minutes ago, eli's_rhythm said: No, I didn't. Imagery and success don't always impart more influence. Janet is her most successful album, after all. Does that make it more influential than the other three? You did. "It justwasn't as huge as RN or Control, and its imagery isn't as iconic, so it's harder to place in her cannon of essentials." This is why TVR isn't ranking next to RN1814 or Control. Not only were they much more successful, but they're herald as Janet's signature albums. And dare we not even talk about significance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eli's_rhythm Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Mr. Wonder said: You did. "It justwasn't as huge as RN or Control, and its imagery isn't as iconic, so it's harder to place in her cannon of essentials." This is why TVR isn't ranking next to RN1814 or Control. Not only were they much more successful, but they're herald as Janet's signature albums. And dare we not even talk about significance. They are definitely her signature albums. But TVR is just as acclaimed and just as influential. We are talking about different things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 5 hours ago, eli's_rhythm said: They are definitely her signature albums. But TVR is just as acclaimed and just as influential. We are talking about different things. I'm talking about Control and RN1814 being her signature albums, the most iconic, and hold the greatest significance in Janet's career and shaping the progression of popular music. You're talking about something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 The 80 greatest albums of the 1980s by Rock Hall Inductees 9. Janet Jackson – “Control” (1986) If you posed the question "What is Janet Jackson's best album?" five, 10, even 15 years ago, hands down the answer would be "Rhythm Nation 1814." But as time goes on, those songs don't stay with you as much as the ones from Janet's coming out party "Control." Jackson's third album overcame a lot. It made people forget about its two lackluster predecessors and effectively removed her from the shadow of her famous family. More importantly, Jackson (along with producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis) reshaped R&B into a pop and dance driven format that would lay the groundwork for New Jack Swing. By the 1990s, everyone, including Janet's big brother Michael, was jacking her style. 58. Janet Jackson – “Rhythm Nation 1814” (1989) Because it was such a creative leap forward, "Rhythm Nation 1814" is often considered Janet Jackson's most iconic album. The concept focused on social issues with Jackson proving herself a formidable commentator. R&B and pop had never quite seen an album like this; not with its dance grooves that helped establish New Jack Swing. https://www.cleveland.com/life-and-culture/j66j-2020/03/dab97c695a9775/80-greatest-albums-of-the-1980s-by-rock-and-roll-hall-of-famers.html 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotboy06 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 More importantly, Jackson (along with producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis) reshaped R&B into a pop and dance driven format that would lay the groundwork for New Jack Swing. By the 1990s, everyone, including Janet's big brother Michael, was jacking her style. That ladies and gentleman is called IMPACT. INFLUENCE. CHANGING THE MUSICAL LANDSCAPE. PUSHING MUSIC FORWARD. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted September 23, 2020 Author Share Posted September 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Lenzo88 said: Rolling Stone has re-released their 500 Greatest Albums of all time. While Rhythm Nation (#339) and The Velvet Rope (#318) remain, Control was added at #111! And yes, both RN and TVR went down on the list, originally #277 and #259 respectively. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-albums-of-all-time-1062063/ Meant to do this earlier, but alas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 These recent rankings of control over rhythm nation have me feeling a way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotboy06 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 9 hours ago, J. said: These recent rankings of control over rhythm nation have me feeling a way And "Control" wasn't originally on the list and came in like a wrecking ball. We love to see such a monumental album get it's due. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 16 hours ago, hotboy06 said: And "Control" wasn't originally on the list and came in like a wrecking ball. We love to see such a monumental album get it's due. The list is still ass tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_c Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 3/23/2020 at 9:28 AM, hotboy06 said: That ladies and gentleman is called IMPACT. INFLUENCE. CHANGING THE MUSICAL LANDSCAPE. PUSHING MUSIC FORWARD. YES. Changing the actual sound of music itself. I love when artists push the boundaries of music. Janet, Jimmy Jam, and Terry Lewis created a whole new subgenre that influenced the next decade of pop and r&b. Not many artists can say they inspired a whole generation of acts MUSICALLY, and not just because they were a big star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_c Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 9/23/2020 at 10:26 PM, J. said: These recent rankings of control over rhythm nation have me feeling a way Rhythm Nation is her second best album. Control is #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenzo88 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 On 9/17/2018 at 10:36 AM, Mr. Wonder said: You did. "It justwasn't as huge as RN or Control, and its imagery isn't as iconic, so it's harder to place in her cannon of essentials." This is why TVR isn't ranking next to RN1814 or Control. Not only were they much more successful, but they're herald as Janet's signature albums. And dare we not even talk about significance. Yes it is! With both those albums on Rolling Stone’s Greatest Albums of all time. Not to mention numerous other best albums of all time lists! In fact, the biggest highlights have always been showcased by Control, RN and TVR in terms of her timeless impact on pop culture history! Janet. may be her beat selling album but that era is comparable to the inventive reinventions of those eras clearly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 On 11/8/2020 at 7:03 PM, king_c said: Rhythm Nation is her second best album. Control is #4. NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted Wednesday at 07:05 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 07:05 PM The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time 475. Janet Jackson, 'Rhythm Nation' WRITER(S):James Harris, Janet Jackson, Sly Stone, Terry Lewis Jackson’s socially conscious Number Two hit came together late in the sessions for her blockbuster LP Rhythm Nation 1814. Co-producer Jimmy Jam recalled being in the studio and “switching between MTV and CNN. Watching music videos on one side and watching atrocities on the other. Somehow they all merged together. The idea for ‘Rhythm Nation’ was you can dance, but we can also do something more intelligent.” When Jam heard Sly and the Family Stone’s “Thank You (Falettinme Be Mice Elf Agin)” at a restaurant, he raced to the studio to sample it. https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-songs-of-all-time-1224767/janet-jackson-rhythm-nation-3-1224862/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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