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1 minute ago, Game For Now said:

Idk why I’m bothering with this... 

The families were GIVEN lavish things to CONTROL them.. hence manipulate 

sorry nope, wont accept that either, you cannot and will never "buy" a family that stands on firm moral and ethical boundaries ....now you can buy a lot of broke ass come ups

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4 minutes ago, Bailey said:

gurl your investment in this story is too much for me :wave:  Norman go do something good for yourself, the world anything :rolleyes:

You’ve invested zero of your time and it shows

You didn’t watch the documentaries, you didn’t watch the Oprah special, you don’t know what it’s like to be sexually abused as a child.. you don’t read about sexual abuse victims.. you don’t care..

WTF do you know? What’s your purpose? You’ve added nothing to the convo as usual 

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1 minute ago, Game For Now said:

You’ve invested zero of your time and it shows

You didn’t watch the documentaries, you didn’t watch the Oprah special, you don’t know what it’s like to be sexually abused as a child..TF do you know?  

wrong again, I wont you to be correct at least some of the time, dont be wrong all the time, that shit aint a good look :umm:  If you read and listened as much as you ranted you would know I watched the entire  first half after that I deleted the rest and haven't bothered because they lacked evidence and credibility you cannot accuse anyone of those type of things and bring zero evidence, its hugely irresponsible of them and Oprah after all these years should know better, but she desperate for ratings so her come up game is weak :sigh:

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2 minutes ago, Bailey said:

wrong again, I wont you to be correct at least some of the time, dont be wrong all the time, that shit aint a good look :umm:  If you read and listened as much as you ranted you would know I watched the entire  first half after that I deleted the rest and haven't bothered because they lacked evidence and credibility you cannot accuse anyone of those type of things and bring zero evidence, its hugely irresponsible of them and Oprah after all these years should know better, but she desperate for ratings so her come up game is weak :sigh:

Cool story Bailey 

You didn’t watch the documentaries, you didn’t watch the Oprah special, you don’t know what it’s like to be sexually abused as a child..TF do you know?  

 

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9 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

Still waiting on that fascinating post about the justice system

Where did you get it from? Whose the original poster 🙃

It’s from ATRL x

 

10 minutes ago, Bailey said:

gurl your investment in this story is too much for me :wave:  Norman go do something good for yourself, the world anything :rolleyes:

:lmao: 

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3 hours ago, Illi said:

It shows that people don't really care about the truth but rather to grind their ax if possible.

Basically, the message for believing he's a pedophile is "if I can assume it that means he did it"

3 hours ago, bu. said:

It sounds like someone that has common sense and reasoning. And if you want to talk justice system - Michael would never have never have benefited from it since he was a black man. 

No it is not. But keep deflecting - that’s what you’re best at. 

There is nothing #MeToo about this except an obvious attempt to take advantage of the much needed movement. White people always do that - see feminism. If you can’t admit that questioning credibility is important then tbh I hope you never make it onto jury service or ever get accused of a crime because your personality and background would be against you. 

Propofol is not illicit. We already know he was addicted to drugs. There’s no relevance to this though.

#Preach

He really is 

Got me gagging at "see feminism", gather a bit Bu, gather a bit

To be fair...it's literally all he has and all he can factually hate Michael for based on facts & evidence the rest all assumption :lmao: #Hecoulda :lmao:

3 hours ago, Bailey said:

objection your honor scope...... that's out of context, if what you're saying is the truth, and I do not deny white privilege as a gay Black man then we can shut all this down right now because yes being white and rich is favored. Now what the hell that has to do with two inconsistent accusers and MJ is another court case :umm:

Exactly, which again according to police & witness reports, his raids and his monitoring were over-policed.......something that the police have a thing for doing when they expect someone to be guilty or in general they have of doing with someone black

3 hours ago, bu. said:

His posts are inconsistent and hypocritical to what he’s done and said over the years. Much like the two guys he believes. 

OOP BU GATHERED AGAIN!!! :lmao:

2 hours ago, bu. said:

Oh he had the money to win a court case even though he was allegedly broke all those years? Make your mind up or keep on with the Trumpism

 

YUSSSSSSSS COME ON THRU!

2 hours ago, bu. said:

It’s what she deserves for still being friends with Harvey

2 hours ago, bu. said:

She hasn't been a journalist for years. Journalism is dead. 

2 hours ago, bu. said:

*allegedly 

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

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That's not allowed, don't you know Bailey that it's impossible to be given gifts and say "No thanks"? Everybody knows when you're given a gift you HAVE to accept it or else you'll be put to death. Just like everybody knows if you do drugs you're also a pedophile. And that facts and the truth are never as important as blind belief.

3 hours ago, Game For Now said:

I don’t believe every accuser but the only people that knows what happened behind close doors is Michael, Wade, and/or James and the other boys Michael touched behind closed doors 

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But you certainly don't believe the facts :lmao: In general, this whole quote here......your bias is showing dear, because of the 3 names  you listed 2 of them have been inconsistent on this topic and this is not the topic to be inconsistent on, thus you're saying you'll believe anything they say....so rational😏.....

6 hours ago, jarrylf said:

I'm not the one dodging facts, that's your stance. I'm the one bringing them to the table, while you try to do any and everything but prove them wrong, worst, you're trying to deny and cover.

 

Everybody notice that hasn't changed right?....all the deflections, why no answers..

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43 minutes ago, jarrylf said:

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But you certainly don't believe the facts :lmao: In general, this whole quote here......your bias is showing dear, because of the 3 names  you listed 2 of them have been inconsistent on this topic and this is not the topic to be inconsistent on, thus you're saying you'll believe anything they say....so rational😏.....

Everybody notice that hasn't changed right?....all the deflections, why no answers..

I believe the Facts

FACT: the FBI/police didn’t find any evidence 

Counterpoint: duh... what evidence would they find? It is nearly impossible to find evidence of child molestation. That does not mean it didn’t happen 

Fact: Both parties have lied; Wade multiple times

Countpoint: Manipulation of children is easy; denial of being abused is common amoung child victims 

I want to note that rings, cars, houses aren’t gifts people say no to. If [insert celebrity ] offered to buy you [insert something you can’t afford], no questions asked.. you would say “no thanks?” Bull shit

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1 hour ago, Game For Now said:

I believe the Facts

FACT: the FBI/police didn’t find any evidence 

Counterpoint: duh... what evidence would they find? It is nearly impossible to find evidence of child molestation. That does not mean it didn’t happen 

Fact: Both parties have lied; Wade multiple times

Countpoint: Manipulation of children is easy

I want to note that rings, cars, houses aren’t gifts people say no to. If [insert celebrity ] offered to buy you [insert something you can’t afford], no questions asked.. you would say “no thanks?” Bull shit

Evidence that the FBI & The cops are trained to find (especially with excessive force), and find proof, find all that they did for R. Kelly.

Fact about your counterpoint, sharing the truth with the world isn't easy, but being inconsistent in what you say is your truth with the world watching, it's damning, and it is people who take advantage of the guise of being a survivor a victim or someone who overcame and found the strength to come forward. Fact: It is easy to take advantage when you can lie but your lies not be challenged.

That's not everyone, that wasn't the case for R. Kelly's victims, if Sparkle didn't come out about her niece on that tape with him, he was working on making her a star, he was keeping her pockets full, and she turned him and all his advances away for justice, some people have that moral compose that are bigger than others, some people can't be bought that way

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Yea and I can't with people who think assumptions are as good as facts, evidence & investigations but here we are. Again, if the porn magazines were an issue it would've counted. "That doesn't look right" and, "I think" aren't enough to make someone guilty or innocent, they're an opinion based on appearance. Everything "guilty" he did in public, you have to assume to come up with a conclusion that it directly equals molestation. 

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1 hour ago, jarrylf said:

Yea and I can't with people who think assumptions are as good as facts, evidence & investigations but here we are. Again, if the porn magazines were an issue it would've counted. "That doesn't look right" and, "I think" aren't enough to make someone guilty or innocent, they're an opinion based on appearance. Everything "guilty" he did in public, you have to assume to come up with a conclusion that it directly equals molestation. 

If it wasn't molestation, then what was it? Age appropriate behaviour? What the hell was he doing with all those pre-teen boys, holding hands with them, sleeping in the same rooms and beds with them, taking them on trips overseas. Smh. Imagine some other 20-50 year old man doing that and the parents allowing it. What would we call it. Just because he was a star and a great musician doesn't take away the fact that something was very wrong with him.

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3 hours ago, jarrylf said:

Evidence that the FBI & The cops are trained to find (especially with excessive force), and find proof, find all that they did for R. Kelly.

Fact about your counterpoint, sharing the truth with the world isn't easy, but being inconsistent in what you say is your truth with the world watching, it's damning, and it is people who take advantage of the guise of being a survivor a victim or someone who overcame and found the strength to come forward. Fact: It is easy to take advantage when you can lie but your lies not be challenged.

That's not everyone, that wasn't the case for R. Kelly's victims, if Sparkle didn't come out about her niece on that tape with him, he was working on making her a star, he was keeping her pockets full, and she turned him and all his advances away for justice, some people have that moral compose that are bigger than others, some people can't be bought that way

I’m not familiar with the Robert Kelly case but he didn’t really hide his infatuation...but he just chose an already marginalized group (black women). Whereas MJ carefully chose his victims

It is nearly impossible to find evidence of child molestation. Again, what do you think a child molester would leave behind? 

Youre right! 

 

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5 hours ago, jarrylf said:

Yea and I can't with people who think assumptions are as good as facts, evidence & investigations but here we are. Again, if the porn magazines were an issue it would've counted. "That doesn't look right" and, "I think" aren't enough to make someone guilty or innocent, they're an opinion based on appearance. Everything "guilty" he did in public, you have to assume to come up with a conclusion that it directly equals molestation. 

I think they forget this is MJ we talking about, this is not someone who operated (in his mind) as a "normal" person. He did things that others wouldnt think to do, but they were his things, tree climbing horsing around, pranks that sorta thing. I have a very hard time believing MJ was abusing a bunch of boys and no one has anything to proof it and the rest of us that are skeptical are supposed to just take their word for it.

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9 hours ago, BlueEyedSpirit34 said:

If it wasn't molestation, then what was it? Age appropriate behaviour? What the hell was he doing with all those pre-teen boys, holding hands with them, sleeping in the same rooms and beds with them, taking them on trips overseas. Smh. Imagine some other 20-50 year old man doing that and the parents allowing it. What would we call it. Just because he was a star and a great musician doesn't take away the fact that something was very wrong with him.

I think it was a chance to take a break from his career and family and life stresses to be connected with people who look at the world in a safe scope that most adults lose, that's not at all far fetched to me given his background. Yet again, your entire point is assumption & "imagine", that doesn't equate to rape or molestation. If we have to assume that he's molested every kid who's hand he held, you're insinuating it's not appropriate for any adult to ever do any of those things with a kid ever or they're molesting them. Truth is we already do that shit when teachers/coaches/mentors take kids on out of state trips with their parents consent, to assume what you are we have to assume they're all molesting too, and truth is more of the boys and girls who spent time with Michael defended & defend the time they spent with him & his character in their presence than the 4 that condemn or criticize it, if otherwise, you'd have a point. There was alot wrong with Michael Jackson, but not 1 of them points to for sure being a sexual predator, that's your assumption, that's your imagination, and that's your projection.

8 hours ago, Game For Now said:

I’m not familiar with the Robert Kelly case but he didn’t really hide his infatuation...but he just chose an already marginalized group (black women). Whereas MJ carefully chose his victims

It is nearly impossible to find evidence of child molestation. Again, what do you think a child molester would leave behind? 

Youre right! 

 

Except judging off of the inconsistencies of the total 4 accusers, he "choose" kids who couldn't stick to a story? The fact that 3 of the 4 accusers were white and male is why guilty is so easily assumed, yet on the other hand, I think it's why the police worked so much harder to look for any hair out of place that can get a guilty verdict.  

Michael had so much porn but nothing traceable to pedophilia, someone so nieve (again if the drug use was the topic, that wasn't that hidden that was being reported for years, alot of what he was doing in what he thought was private was revealed and searched) yet something so massive and so major he's this "neat" on yet according to 3 of his accusers he's so bold to do such terrible things so openly and sloppily? I agree in general it's a tough spot and it's hard to prove, but it's why if you're accusing your word needs to be credible about your accusations, and since that doesn't exist with ANYONE who's accused him, to believe them or to believe he did anything, takes a level of disbelief I can't condone because there's nothing credible to prove it.

4 hours ago, Bailey said:

I think they forget this is MJ we talking about, this is not someone who operated (in his mind) as a "normal" person. He did things that others wouldnt think to do, but they were his things, tree climbing horsing around, pranks that sorta thing. I have a very hard time believing MJ was abusing a bunch of boys and no one has anything to proof it and the rest of us that are skeptical are supposed to just take their word for it.

That comparison shit is so weird to me, he had problems no other "normal" person could fathom, there was darkness in his life, look at his family, there's so much disfunction there on the parent level alone that those 9 kids were raised under, none of em really had a chance at "normal" they had to find it in their own ways, if or when they could, and I don't think they ever truly had an understanding. My personal theory in his relationship with kids based on what those kids say (the bulk majority) is that they think his time with them was a mix of 2 things, living vicariously through them, giving his inner child that kind of attention that he always wanted. Also the way he talks and always has talked about how badly he wanted to be a parent and help be a guide for kids. That's not based off of assumption, that's based on the number of people who've testified to that vs. the amount that allege it to be something else

In general I've never been a "no kid should be around, alone with, close to, in bed with an adult they aren't related to" because I don't know every kid's & every families relationship to every 1 of those adults who aren't family, and that energy implies if the kid is related to the adult nothing dangerous or sexual will happen or is less likely to happen, when in reality and from what I've grown up seeing and hearing, some family members are more likely to take advantage of that trust & those positions than some strangers & family friends. So mass assumptions & judgments just aren't my thing, many things and relationships in life are Case Sensitive.

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12 hours ago, BlueEyedSpirit34 said:

I'm sorry but I can't understand people who defend MJ. They might not have found any proof in court that he molested some of the boys but his behaviour with the youngsters was always (maybe not proven illegal but) very very wrong. A the end of the day it's only the boy(s) who stayed with him and MJ who know what happened in the rooms. However, MJ spent time with many other young boys in addition to those who sued him.

There are so many clear signs of MJ being a molester and they are there for everyone to see. They have always been. There are tons of pictures and videos of him with young boys in questionable poses.

People who defend him are stupid. There might be some families who sued him for money but what about all those other boys and their families who he used. MJ had many "little boyfriends" and he wasn't even hiding it. Actually he was very in your face and arrogant about it. He didn't care what other people thought cause unlike to others, to him it was all "innocent". Isn't this what molesters think - they imagine it's all done in cooperation with the victim. He made them dress like him and traveled the world with them. Some boys and their families he even took on tour with him. He gave shopping sprees to the families in exchange of some alone time with the young boys. Jeez, they even slept in same hotel rooms! He bought the boys and families expensive gifts and made them fall in love with him. Wait... there's a word for all of this. It's called grooming.

I haven't seen the doc yet so can't comment on that. But as a former fan I've followed the stories long enough to know some things. People who defend him and claim his innocence are ignorant. Even if he wasn't sent to jail for it, but what he did with the boys over the years was crazy for an adult man. MJ didn't care what people thought about his actions cause he was arrogant and spending time with the little boys was just something that he liked. And he had all the means and money to do it without people stopping him. He had power to fire ppl who questioned him about his "relations". I can't believe that the parents allowed their kids to sleep with him in the same bed and even travel on tour with him overseas. SMH.

MJ wanted to be Peter Pan and even in the Invincible cover he looks like a fairy. He was mentally ill. I don't care about the "I didn't have a childhood" crap as an excuse to use little children for his own good. Many other ppl have had difficulties in their childhood but they didn't turn in to molesters who like to sleep with pre-pubescent boys. MJ had so many little "boyfriends" over the years, he made them fall in love with him and then threw them away when they grew too old. In fact, MJ was fascinated by Victorian age white little boys, you know what I mean if you know the book JM Barrie and the lost boys. Its about the author of Peter Pan who was also a pedophile. MJ even bought lots of Victorian era pictures and furniture. You could see it in the MJ actions that were public.

Secondly, according to the Smoking Gun website during the investigations police found porn magazines in his toilet that were about big boobs and also a magazine called Barely Legal. That should tell something about his preferences. Lets not even talk about all the baby pictures found from the mirrors in his home and hotel rooms. The man was crazy and a pedophile. The signs all are there for everyone to see. Anyone claiming something else is a fool. The fact that they didn't find enough evidence for a couple of cases doesn't take away the fact that he was openly behaving inappropriately with many little boys during his lifetime and wasn't even apologetic about it. Let's not forget Jesus juice...

So you don't watch porn? Also Barely Legal is a category on websites where girls are supposed to be 18/19.

I'm gay so I don't watch it but it's very common on any college campus. To say mj shouldn't watch porn like everyone else is silly. 

 

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4 minutes ago, EphraimAdamz said:

So you don't watch porn? Also Barely Legal is a category on websites where girls are supposed to be 18/19.

I'm gay so I don't watch it but it's very common on any college campus. To say mj shouldn't watch porn like everyone else is silly. 

 

Should have said "I used to be straight and used to watch it" :shifty:

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2 hours ago, BlueEyedSpirit34 said:

I didn't say Mj shouldn't watch porn like everybody else. But for an old middle-aged man it's perverted to enjoy barely legal 18/19 year-olds.
Everybody claiming MJ was just innocent with the little boys and it was not sexual. Buying rings and sleeping in same beds, had nothing to do with sexuality. Yet he was still jerking off in his toilet to pictures of young people.

 

 

Doesn’t matter what the age of the model is as long as that age is 18 & up

 

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