art Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 SL routine isn't iconic and I'm not being biased either. The only memorable part of the whole SL routine is the wrist flipping (Ooh ooh ooh) part and outfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanka Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 So what makes a routine iconic? Because I'm still trying to figure out what makes Single Ladies iconic? Even Oprah Winfrey lead her audience in the Superman dance. :lol: Hell, even BEYONCE did the dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaria Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I think SL is iconic because of the strong way in which it is presented as well. The video itself lends nicely to creating something very memorable, a "phenomenon" that became part of the cultural zeitgeist. I'm overselling it a bit but, you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Hell, even BEYONCE did the dance. I was just about to say this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanka Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I was just about to say this Supaman dat hoe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 all the qualities I want in a man :lmao: :lmao: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 8 guests? I see Austin called up the gerls from BW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedEleganceâ„¢ Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 SL routine isn't iconic and I'm not being biased either. The only memorable part of the whole SL routine is the wrist flipping (Ooh ooh ooh) part and outfit. To be fair, I think the routine relies heavily on the outfit and video, the same way 'Billie Jean' relied on the hat and glove. But I do think it's more than just wrist-flipping, even if that is the most memorable part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
art Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 To be fair, I think the routine relies heavily on the outfit and video, the same way 'Billie Jean' relied on the hat and glove. But I do think it's more than just wrist-flipping, even if that is the most memorable part. I wouldn't compare SL to Billie Jean. Billie Jean goes far beyond the scenery and outfit. MJ did many memorable moves which are still being mimicked today. Now with SL I don't see anything memorable. Take away the outfit and all you get is just a bunch of J-setting and yaki flipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 8 guests? I see Austin called up the gerls from BW No I posted it on Twitter. Let's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackboy Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Hell, even BEYONCE did the dance. I forgot all about that and that dreadful concert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedEleganceâ„¢ Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I wouldn't compare SL to Billie Jean. Billie Jean goes far beyond the scenery and outfit. MJ did many memorable moves which are still being mimicked today. Now with SL I don't see anything memorable. Take away the outfit and all you get is just a bunch of J-setting and yaki flipping. I'm only comparing because they both made Nuk's list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackboy Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 When it has a stranglehold on every media outlet in all corners of the globe. Most people wouldn't even know the Superman by name. That's nice. 'Single Ladies' inspired 100 women in leotards to re-create the routine in the middle of London. And that's just one example. There are far more videos of people doing the Superman than the single ladies routine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I think we first need to definite what an "iconic dance routine" is. When I think iconic, I think something that's easily recognizable and/or associated with an artist. When you think Moonwalk, you think MJ. When you think military dance, it's Janet. You get the gist of what I'm saying. Michael and Janet should be top 5 by default considering the fact that they shit on everyone when it comes to dance. I really don't think "Smooth Criminal" is iconic. I'd replace that with "Beat It". That is more iconic than anything MJ has done post-Thriller imo. The Macarena is a dance routine and should be up there, top 5 imo. I remember EVERYONE was doing it, literally; ages 0 - 80. There was even an entire baseball stadium doing it back in the day. And yes, YMCA should be thrown in there. @ TE. You could even throw MC Hammer's "Cant Touch This" dance somewhere in the lower ends of the top 10. You can definitely take Britney out. The only thing ppl remember about that video is the slutty Catholic school girl outfit and the RS cover. Keep "Vogue", it does slay. I agree with Art, the only thing iconic about "Sangle Hoes" is the hand flip, hell even the President did it. As far as a dance routine, it's definitely top 10, but not top 5. It hasn't experienced longevity, and I agree with the person who said the gwarls have been doing that for years. If you were to show that routine to some j-setters in a marching band it wouldn't really stand out since they've been doing it for years. We'll see how it is 10 and 20 years from now...if ppl are emulating the steps or taking bits and pieces from it and putting it into their routines like ppl have done with Mike and Janet's routines. I think it was TE who was making the argument that the only iconic part of "Billie Jean" is the moonwalk. The same thing could be said about "If". The only iconic part is the breakdown. And WTF is PP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackboy Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I'm only comparing because they both made Nuk's list. And you said you think SL should be higher; because Bille Jean only had one signifying move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedEleganceâ„¢ Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 I think we first need to definite what an "iconic dance routine" is. When I think iconic, I think something that's easily recognizable and/or associated with an artist. When you think Moonwalk, you think MJ. When you think military dance, it's Janet. You get the gist of what I'm saying. Michael and Janet should be top 5 by default considering the fact that they shit on everyone when it comes to dance. I really don't think "Smooth Criminal" is iconic. I'd replace that with "Beat It". That is more iconic than anything MJ has done post-Thriller imo. The Macarena is a dance routine and should be up there, top 5 imo. I remember EVERYONE was doing it, literally; ages 0 - 80. There was even an entire baseball stadium doing it back in the day. And yes, YMCA should be thrown in there. @ TE. You could even throw MC Hammer's "Cant Touch This" dance somewhere in the lower ends of the top 10. You can definitely take Britney out. The only thing ppl remember about that video is the slutty Catholic school girl outfit and the RS cover. Keep "Vogue", it does slay. I agree with Art, the only thing iconic about "Sangle Hoes" is the hand flip, hell even the President did it. As far as a dance routine, it's definitely top 10, but not top 5. It hasn't experienced longevity, and I agree with the person who said the gwarls have been doing that for years. If you were to show that routine to some j-setters in a marching band it wouldn't really stand out since they've been doing it for years. We'll see how it is 10 and 20 years from now...if ppl are emulating the steps or taking bits and pieces from it and putting it into their routines like ppl have done with Mike and Janet's routines. I think it was TE who was making the argument that the only iconic part of "Billie Jean" is the moonwalk. The same thing could be said about "If". The only iconic part is the breakdown. And WTF is PP? Well said. And I agree, the only iconic part of 'If' is the breakdown (excluding Janet's entrance, which her stans live for). 'PP' is 'Pleasure Principle'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedEleganceâ„¢ Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 And you said you think SL should be higher; because Bille Jean only had one signifying move. I still think 'Single Ladies' has more of a routine than 'Billie Jean'. Boiled down to their signature moves though, of course MJ wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Well said. And I agree, the only iconic part of 'If' is the breakdown (excluding Janet's entrance, which her stans live for). 'PP' is 'Pleasure Principle'. The entrance is epic. And I know the WTF is "where the fuck" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Well I guess you're right. I mean an elephant never forgets So TOF I was half right Why did you let Lassie off its leash? Now its in here thinking it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Baby Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 I And, I would say that the Superman has far more reaching legacies and familiarity than Single Ladies. This gurl has lost her mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Baby Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 I think SL is iconic because of the strong way in which it is presented as well. The video itself lends nicely to creating something very memorable, a "phenomenon" that became part of the cultural zeitgeist. I'm overselling it a bit but, you get the idea. Look how many movies it was featured. I think I even seen Liza Minelli in a movie doing it, and I'm sure the President has done it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Baby Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 There are far more videos of people doing the Superman than the single ladies routine. Superman, YMCA, and those thinks are moves not complete routines like "Single Ladies" or "Rhythm Nation"or "If"...Lets not please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaria Posted December 27, 2010 Share Posted December 27, 2010 Look how many movies it was featured. I think I even seen Liza Minelli in a movie doing it, and I'm sure the President has done it Yes her dreadful rendition in Sex and the City 2: The Empire Strikes Back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Baby Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 I wouldn't compare SL to Billie Jean. Billie Jean goes far beyond the scenery and outfit. MJ did many memorable moves which are still being mimicked today. Now with SL I don't see anything memorable. Take away the outfit and all you get is just a bunch of J-setting and yaki flipping. All great routines rely on scenery and outfit...Notice everytime Rhythm Nation is recreated they make sure the try to recreate the factory and Military look...If somebody is recreating they have that red jacket, and Single ladies is the leotard...and not some idiot on you tube but professional. Its not Rhythm Nation without the military outfits, hat and ponytail...ask keri hilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Baby Posted December 27, 2010 Author Share Posted December 27, 2010 I think we first need to definite what an "iconic dance routine" is. When I think iconic, I think something that's easily recognizable and/or associated with an artist. When you think Moonwalk, you think MJ. When you think military dance, it's Janet. You get the gist of what I'm saying. Michael and Janet should be top 5 by default considering the fact that they shit on everyone when it comes to dance. I really don't think "Smooth Criminal" is iconic. I'd replace that with "Beat It". That is more iconic than anything MJ has done post-Thriller imo. The Macarena is a dance routine and should be up there, top 5 imo. I remember EVERYONE was doing it, literally; ages 0 - 80. There was even an entire baseball stadium doing it back in the day. And yes, YMCA should be thrown in there. @ TE. You could even throw MC Hammer's "Cant Touch This" dance somewhere in the lower ends of the top 10. You can definitely take Britney out. The only thing ppl remember about that video is the slutty Catholic school girl outfit and the RS cover. Keep "Vogue", it does slay. I agree with Art, the only thing iconic about "Sangle Hoes" is the hand flip, hell even the President did it. As far as a dance routine, it's definitely top 10, but not top 5. It hasn't experienced longevity, and I agree with the person who said the gwarls have been doing that for years. If you were to show that routine to some j-setters in a marching band it wouldn't really stand out since they've been doing it for years. We'll see how it is 10 and 20 years from now...if ppl are emulating the steps or taking bits and pieces from it and putting it into their routines like ppl have done with Mike and Janet's routines. I think it was TE who was making the argument that the only iconic part of "Billie Jean" is the moonwalk. The same thing could be said about "If". The only iconic part is the breakdown. And WTF is PP? You act like Michael Jackson was the first person doing the moonwalk or Janet didn't get inspired by the ROTC, or the gwurls weren't voguing long before madonna was even in New York, but when it comes to Beyonce ya'll wanna have a double standard. Puleeze! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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