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I actually did. I questioned him a few times on Twitter after he had posted it. I was even skeptical in that thread. When he told me he just asked ppl who went to the show, that's when I kinda tossed his stats aside.
You didn't express any skepticism in that thread. Any questions you had related more so to do with the Number Ones Tours (Which was going on at the time) and trying to gauge figures for that. That's it.
Billboard boxscore is based on reported dates, and all of the dates for each tour between '93 and '02 weren't reported. That's why the gross is $93 million, based on the Reuters article. And your video, when you adjust for inflation, has Janet at about $1b in tour gross. That's almost twice what was reported in the Variety article. That's a complete fabrication Lamont.
Again, I like a bitch that's right, and had you been right, I wouldn't have said a word.Which is the point.
Rhythm Nation isn't included, and over half the dates from the janet. - AFY tours are missing. Literally, millions of tickets aren't accounted for. Were most of the reported dates from the AFY era (Which has most of the available box off data from those three tours)? If so, Janet played some of her biggest venues with the janet and VR tours. Multiple 30-50,000 seat venues could be missing from the reported data. It's all guestimate work, because Janet's team chose not to report the majority of her tour dates.
BTW, the Vanity article reported actual overall touring revenue, not figures based on inflation (Again, even Forbes didn't counter that). The original figures I linked were off by $100 million from the Vanity stats, and your figures are off by over $200 million. Meaning, Janet did better than either calculation, excluding inflation.
But what do you have to substantiate that 55k ppl were in attendance for Janet's Tokyo Dome shows?
The 2008 press release mentions the capacity of the stadium itself. - The first international
shows were in Japan, where she sold out the Tokyo Dome (48,000 capacity) - Not people in attendance. Which exactly how we worded it in the video, with the actual capacity of the venue (From the Tokyo Dome site).
BTW, 55,000 is the capacity for the end stage configuration. The venue can hold 60-70,000 with the open floor stage set up.As with the example I made about Janet's overall album sales, further investigation sometimes reveals something different.
Even in that press release, Janet's team quotes the 100 million total that they were using at that time There's no way she sold 60 million records since 2008. Meaning her team researched and updated stats when necessary.
You went with a third party source.
Where do you think these news articles get their receipts - from stans. 
140 to 160 isn't much when you're including albums, singles, and videos. 14 to 18 when you're just talking about pure album sales? Come on Lamont, you're better than that. 
Do you have the official break down of the 160M tally? If not, I have to go with the sources that say RN's updated tally is nearly 20 million world wide.
This isn't arguing semantics.
Arguing semantics is saying "Jolly Saint Nick" versus saying "Santa Claus". "Janet was the first artist to have a #1 in three separate decades", and "Janet was the first female artist to have a #1 in three separate decades" are two completely different statements, and you know this. And if the video had 100 facts, and I only found 35 of them, that means you got 65 correct. Bravo.
Again, JUST BE RIGHT.
Yes, it is arguing semantics, because she was the first artist to do in the decades mentioned, regardless. It's only an issue now, because you're nitpicking to satisfy your own ego. Everything you've mentioned have been things we simply disagree on, and that's fine.
You're picking at any and every "inaccuracy" (even things you misread and/or misheard) to make yourself feel better. I get it. I'm not going to let you belittle this project for the sake of your ego, though.-
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" Another fellow Witness posted Janet's tour information, but some of those numbers just seem a bit too high for me to feel comfortable."
Thank you.
That's because it was posted by the same person.
Also, did you read that thread? "According to "Billboard Boxscore," she sold nearly 2 million tickets to 161 shows and grossed $94 million between 1993 and 2002."http://www.reuters.com/article/music-janet-dc-idUSN1919838320080521 Unless RN1814, #1s, RWU, & UB sold 6 million tickets, then your claim that Janet sold 8 million tickets is invalidated. Once again, fabricated.
You never brought up any issue you had in the original thread. Also, it wasn't challenged by you (or anyone else) in that UKmix thread that you are sourcing. So, what exactly is your primary source?
There are a multitude of issues here.The All For You Tour grossed $55 million (According to your receipts). That would mean she earned over half of her entire touring gross from just the AFY tour? Does Billboard Boxscore only cover North American dates or worldwide? If it's worldwide, even according to YOUR receipts Janet performed 312 shows with the janet, VR, and AFY tours. If it's just the North American dates, like most artists, the majority of her dates (over half) are usually in North America She would have more than 161 dates with just her North American dates (She performed 68 shows in the US for just the AFY tour alone). If she only sold 2 million tickets for those three tours, she would be averaging less than 700,000 attendance per those tour. Her overall attendance was higher for just the AFY dates. I mean, higher than the 700,000 average. That means, even less people attended the janet. and VR tours.
BTW, your receipt has Janet grossing $256 million (without inflation). The link I'm quoting gauges it at $315 million. Janet's team released figures of $458 million (without inflation). Forbes never contested that figure, They just said she wasn't a billionaire. Obviously, Janet did better than the receipts either one of us are using. Hence, we can disagree, but that doesn't negate the receipts we used, and it doesn't give you the right to attempt to destroy the credibility of our work.There was no point in mentioning them AT ALL. You were pressed, just call it what it is.
I know you were pressed because every one of your videos takes a cheap shot at Madonna or Beyonce, and you took advantage of this opportunity to do so. Showing how much of a touring force Janet was would have been covered by what I said you could've said in my previous post. And let's just say you wanted to show how much of a touring force Janet was, you could have said something to the tune of "following the success of Janet's sold out show at the Gelredome, the stadium continued to be a regular pit stop for Pop music's biggest touring acts."In some instances, we also quote facts showing that she did better than Michael, and he is my favorite artist other than Janet. Making comparisons to show what Janet accomplished and to educate is just that.
But Lamont, the press release from Janet's own label says 48,000. Why try to negate it? Sure the capacity of the Dome is 55k but all 55k weren't available because Janet used an end stage set up, and didn't have an "open floor":
And I must've misheard the video. But it's still in accurate. Janet didn't add more dates due to the sell out, they were all added at once. And four more dates couldn't have been added cuz there were only four dates in total.
You misheard the video because you were insistent upon finding any and every single "inaccuracy" to discredit the work we did.
Also, I'm not negating Janet's press release, but as with the example I made about Janet's overall album sales (100m, then 140m, and now 160m), further investigation sometimes reveals something different.
The Tokyo Dome official site says it's capacity is 55,000. It doesn't give information based on stage set up. In fact, the other articles I quoted lists over 70,000 being the maximum capacity based on stage configuration. Which points to 55,000 capacity being the lowest possible.
Okay, but did JANET'S TEAM confirm this? No, they did not.
Did Janet's team give a breakdown of the additional 20 million records (that exceed even your calculations) of her total sales? No, they did not.
However, some sources have confirmed 18 million copies sold for RN. That's what we went with.
Had you said she was the first artist to have a #1 in the 80s, 90s, and 00s, you'd be right. But that's not what you said, and therein lies my issues. You can call this a boost of my ego, or whatever you want. At the end of the day, you're still wrong. Again, JUST BE RIGHT. Is that too much to ask?
That's arguing semantics. She was still the first to do it, regardless. Which is what was included in the video. If that was one of your few "complaints" or issues with the video, I could understand, but you attempted to destroy the credibility of nearly half the video because of your own bruised ego.
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]Again, this is a fabrication. UKMix even broke down tours, and I extrapolated the information from a more valid source:
Comment from the thread I linked. In fact, the very FIRST comment in that thread.
It's stuff like this that people need to see, and Janet's team needs to put out so folks can stop underestimating this woman.
And did your calculations come from KNOWN dates? Because there are a some dates from the RN1814 Tour that people don't know about.
In fact, you never questioned the receipts at any point in that thread. To refresh your memory: http://planetjanet.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/4166-an-in-depth-look-at-janet-jacksons-tour-history-over-the-years/#
Another interesting fact, the same tour stats from the thread I linked, are posted in that UKmix thread. Surprisingly (because I know what UKmix gives) No one questioned them. In fact, it is among the last posts in that particular thread.
Speaking of UKMIX, It can't be same the UKMIX forum where they have had serious debates about whether Rhythm Nation really moved 14 million copies? That doubts the janet. album moved 20 million units.The same forum that has questioned the 140 million records sold receipt? Which even calls into question your own receipts. That forum?
As with Control's Grammy, it's only an issue now, because of your personal issue with me. That's fine. BTW, if you don't remember, the Blueprint video was originally released in three parts. YEARS apart. The Control Grammy fact was in part one. You could've easily corrected me at any point. I even made some changes to the video before combining the three parts and uploading it as one complete video. You didn't have a personal issue with me then. Your ego wasn't bruised then.Then what was the point of mentioning Madonna? That had ZERO relevance. Maybe if you weren't so pressed and hell bent on showing that Janet is "better" than Madonna, then you'd understand where I'm coming from. If you wanted to explain why Janet playing the Gelredome was important, you could have said something to the tune of, "Janet sold out the Gelredome, a then 26,000 capacity stadium in Europe, which stands as a testament of Janet's international appeal because Black artists prior to Janet were not afforded these opportunities as their sound hadn't gained worldwide acceptance, and/or had Janet's level of international appeal. Janet sold out this stadium on the strength of her unique blend of R&B and Dance music, which was uncommon at the time, in a Euro-Dance-Pop dominated market. Janet introduced the native people of the continent to a new sound, and for Janet to be Black AND female and selling out stadiums in a male dominated industry makes this achievement even more noteworthy.". Saying "Madonna followed" just makes you look pressed.
I said Madonna AND Tina Turner followed Janet playing dates at that stadium, because they did. Am I saying Janet is better than Tina, or did I simply use that fact to point out Janet did it first, and was playing stadiums outside the states? Thereby showing just how much of dominate figure she was as a touring act.
You can't break down the facts because the video lacked a lot of accurate information. Your video stated Janet was the first artist to have a #1 in three separate decades. She didn't Lamont. She didn't. Billboard even did a whole article on it - http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/473073/ask-billboard-britney-spears-3-decades-of-no-1s. Your video also stated Janet added 4 additional dates for Tokyo Dome. She didn't Lamont, that's just a flat out lie. There were 4 dates total, not 8. And you claim the capacity was 55,000? It wasn't. The accurate information is in the press release:"The first international shows were in Japan, where she sold out the Tokyo Dome (48,000 capacity) with four shows in seven minutes, creating the record for the fastest sell out in the history of the Tokyo Dome."
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/janet-jackson-announces-rock-witchu-tour-57277207.html
Your video was just simply a visual representation of the Sales and Charts threads. You didn't even explain why her accomplishments are significant.This is why I said your video isn't effective. It doesn't explain what Janet's successes represents and there's no true analysis of her career.
You're so blinded by your issues with me that you can't even quote the video correctly.
The video says, and I quote, "The first international date of the Rhythm Nation tour took place at the 55,000 seat Tokyo Dome stadium. The stadium sold out in a record 7 minutes. Four more dates were added, which also sold out."
What in that claims she sold out eight dates at that stadium? None.
ALSO..."The seating capacity of the Tokyo Dome ranges from 55,000-71,000 depending on the set up"
http://www.kpopstarz.com/articles/194297/20150420/exo-tokyo-dome-concert.htm
Capacity (concerts): 70,000 people
http://www.japanconcerttickets.com/venues/tokyo-dome/
From the Tokyo Dome website | Capacity 55,000 persons
https://www.tokyo-dome.co.jp/e/dome/architectural.html
Even in this instance there are different sources, with various receipts. Do we trust your receipts or mine? Hence, whether you personally agree with these stats, that doesn't negate their inclusion.
Janet team's went with 140 Million sold for years leading up to 2016 (After abandoning the 100 Million records sold claim). Did Janet suddenly sell 40 million more records to reach 140 million? Did she sell another 20 million to reach 160 million claim they use now? No. They discovered she's actually sold more. Perhaps that's where the update from 14 million to 18 million copies for RN comes from. Point being, sometimes delving deeper produces different receipts.However, one receipt doesn't negate the other. A healthy debate is fine. There is a difference between that, and actively trying to destroy the credibility of this project because YOUR ego is bruised, we didn't use the receipts YOU prefer, and whatever issues we have. That is just petty, and beneath you.
BTW, we've all used the receipt that Janet is the first artist to have a #1 single in three separate decades. Including you. Another fact that I used in the Blueprint video. Not including that she was the first to do it for the 80's - 2000s decades is arguing semantics, because the point remains she was the first to do it.-
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and this is so sad. Janet has fans fighting each other and ending friendships over this project. As much as I love this album if she wasn't gonna promote it she shouldn't of put it out. How you gonna put out an album and lose fans by not promoting and cancelling your tour that you got them all excited for? Ugh this is starting to make me mad all over again so i'm not gonna go there. She hasn't lost me as a fan but she's definitely lost a lot of fans due to this bullshit. By the way Lamont Austin was sticking up for you when he said Janet should've acknowledged you herself instead of telling Jimmy to say it. I know you don't care if Janet acknowledged you personally but some people felt that way and Austin was one of them. I'm sure others who saw your work would've wished the same. Hell I told you on facebook that Janet needs you on your team. Hell she could use you both cause you're both smart and talented and both have taken time out to write long articles and do videos for and about Janet. Y'all need to get over this little quarrel. You've known Austin for 10yrs so you know he was just being bitchy cause he was mad at Janet. I saw the part in the video where the guy said Control won a Grammy and I was like "um no it didn't"
Every now and then I still get a little mad at Janet just cause it feels like she's just given up. Austin you should've maybe hit Lamont up in the DM and told him about the mistakes in the video tho. Anyway all this is definitely because of Janet. Had this era would've been done the right way by her none of us would be fighting. Everybody was promoting Janet's album except her. Still love her tho but Janet get it together after this baby lolNo, it was an attempt to belittle what I've done and tried to do. It's not the first time he's done it either.
BTW, just because I don't brag about it, that doesn't mean I haven't received acknowledgement. I just choose not to share it.
Jimmy and Terry won the "Producer of the Year" Grammy for their work on the "Control" album. That's a win for the project it self. Which is was we said. The Control album won 4 AMAs, 6 Billboard Awards, 2 VMAs, and one Grammy. Janet is credited as a producer on the project as well, and either chose not to submit herself in that category to let Jimmy and Terry shine, or The Grammys were being shady (which wouldn't surprise me)
BTW, I used that same fact in the "Blueprint" video. Austin didn't take an issue with it then, because he contributed. It's only an issue now because of his personal issue with me, his ego, and his attempt to dismiss this project. It's petty.-
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I'll say this and I'll leave it alone....
As I've told the dick rider in this thread, I can have an entire bag on chips on my shoulder because my track record warrants it. The threads I created (Sales, Pop Culture, Charts, etc.) are the home base for Janet receipts. They were compiled because it appeared every other fan base created comprehensive summaries of their artist's career, except Janet. So I took the liberty to do the same for Janet and her fans, because no one else had done it. I spent months - and at this point, years - compiling all of Janet's successes into a series of threads as points of reference.
My work has reached widespread attention, to the point where major worldwide publications have quoted Janet as selling 140mil records (the Induct Janet guy even quoted this figure in his letter to the R&R HOF committee). When Jimmy got on the BET Awards during the opening of the tribute last year, and stated Janet had sold 140 million records, my ego, and status in this community, was validated.
My tweets about your video are independent of my ego, however. They were an illustration of irritation at the MO being taken with the Induct Janet campaign. Your intentions and the video are commendable, however it was ineffective and predictable - a chronological order of Janet's career inserted with stats. This was the basis of my thread of tweets, the whole video was stats, stats, stats. Yes they are impressive, but the video lacked creativity and direction, and did not fully cement the justification of an induction. It didn't necessarily highlight the overall artistic output of Janet, lacked an understanding of what she represented, and failed to provide an analysis of her career.
I watched the entire video, and a lot of the "facts" were indeed inaccurate or a complete fabrication. Your video states Control won a Grammy. It didn't Lamont. It didn't. RN sold nearly 20 million? Where did you get that information? Those tour grosses? Highly inflated. You mentioned Madonna followed Janet performing at Gelredome. How does that add to Janet's legacy? Stop being jealous that Janet isn't having the success Madonna and Beyonce are having, because you really are ("check in the mirror my friend"). If the stats in the video are incorrect, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the video? In fact, there's no reason to mention any other artists in the video, because the focus should be on the person you're trying to get inducted. Keep the focus on Janet.
What's most frustrating is that the information is RIGHT THERE. You can search the Grammy website for Janet's wins. Janet's own label confirmed 14mil for RN1814 back in 2009. Search my threads. Pull the receipts. I don't care. That's why they're there. I pointed out 35 inaccurate "facts" in a 27 minute video. That's something wrong once every minute. And you all want the R&R HOF committee to see this? Do you have any idea how embarrassing it is that this video was made, and you all didn't even fact check? It made us look like a complete joke. We want them to induct her, but we can't even get her stats correct? And we're supposed to be fans? Fact checking is one of the most important aspects of journalism, and you didn't do it.
So like I said, your intentions are commendable, however your methods are ineffective. I have plenty of ideas, even offered to help, but I will not considering how I've been ostracized by so many of you despite the work I've put in.
And it's still about your ego.
You did great work compiling the facts that you have. When I did the Blueprint video it was much appreciated! However, this isn't about who gathered the facts. This isn't about YOU being part of the project. This isn't about the creative direction that YOU think this project, campaign, and video should go in. This isn't even about if YOU disagree with the facts that we used (More on that in a minute).
This is about the campaign to get Janet Jackson inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. That's it.
All you did was attempt to demean, disregard, and belittle our HARD WORK because YOU didn't like the direction, and because you and I have had issues. That's pathetic.
Again, there were close to 10 people that worked to compile these facts and bring this video together. Your motivation was to hurt me. You did hurt me (mission accomplished), but you also hurt others that worked hard to make this project a reality. That's foul.
Now as for the facts. Every single fact is accurate.Every single fact is from a verifiable source. For instance, There have been articles (from legitimate sources) stating that RN has sold 18 million copies worldwide. Just one of those articles (from 2014) saying RN has sold nearly 20 million copies worldwide (Which is exactly what was stated in the video). http://www.ew.com/article/2014/09/19/janet-jackson-rhythm-nation-1814-25th-anniversaryYou disagree with that? That's okay. That doesn't take away from the fact that verifiable sources have stated it. Again, just because you personally don't agree with a fact, that doesn't negate the inclusion of it in our video. Why? Again, this video isn't about Austin's ego.
Our tour stats.We did it similarly to how it was done in this thread: http://planetjanet.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/4166-an-in-depth-look-at-janet-jacksons-tour-history-over-the-years/ However, this is based on the average ticket price in 2008. Not accurate to use these receipts for 2016, because ticket prices have increased since 2008.
The average ticket price in 2016 is around $120 to $130 (It was $110 in 2008). Not counting the secondary market.
The janet. world tour 2.5 million tickets x $130 = $325,000,000.00 (That's slightly higher than the figure we used in the video, btw. We were a tad more conservative with the calculations we presented in the video). As mentioned in that linked thread above, in her prime, Janet had some of the highest ticket prices among touring artists. We could've used that to our advantage, but we didn't.
As for us mentioning Janet being the first solo artist to perform at the Gelredome Stadium. If you weren't so blinded with your own ego, and whatever personal issues you have with me, you would know exactly why we used it. Many don't know or deny the fact that Janet was huge internationally in her prime. They call her local, without much worldwide success or impact. She was a major (and dominate) touring act worldwide. What better way to show that than with the fact that Janet was the first solo artist to sell out this STADIUM.... outside of the US?
It's the same reason I intentionally used fans from from around the world to recite facts in their native language. It was a subtle way of showing Janet's international influence. The Gelredome fact was a more obvious way of doing that.
I shouldn't have to break down our reasons for the inclusion of these facts. Especially not to another Janet fan. For the third or fourth time, this isn't about your ego. This isn't about what you personally believe or agree with. This isn't even about me. It's about the Induct Janet campaign. That's it.If you don't agree with how we did it. That's fine. Do your own thing. Support Janet in your own way. Don't try to create doubt around our heart felt project because of your own ego and/or issues with me. That's not fair to Janet, the fans, or the induct Janet campaign.
To end this, perhaps your offers to help would have been taken seriously, if you weren't acting the way you're acting right now. You've turned people off. That's your own doing.
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Some things go beyond Twitter and trolling. I have you blocked on Twitter. I don't interact with you. I don't think of you. Leave me alone.
You literally went on Twitter and did a whole thread regarding the "inaccuracies" in the Induct Janet video. You literally took the time to tweet 40 things that I "got wrong". 40 individual tweets. All to satisfy your ego, because you weren't part of this project. All because you no longer are the go to person for Janet stats and receipts. You did that to yourself with by acting just as you're acting right now.This is beneath you.
We've been a family of sorts on this forum for years now. Nearly ten years we've been part of the PJ forum in one form or another, so I know all of you won't speak on it, but what Austin did is foul.
BTW, this project wasn't just MY doing. It was a team of people that made this happen. Including the person behind the Induct Janet campaign, the admins of my group, etc. We ALL worked together to compile these facts. We ALL worked together to get over 100 fans to participate in this project.
Around 10 people worked hard to pull this all together. A labor of love to right a wrong.
Fuck that though, your ego isn't being satisfied.
Every waking moment that I wasn't working or taking care of everyday obligations was spent editing this video.
Every. Waking. Moment.
I went days without sleep to make this video a reality for the fans and for the Induct Janet initiative. Nearly a week without sleep, and not properly taking care of myself to create this project.
To wrap this up, as for the comments about me wasting my time doing this without acknowledgement or a thank you from Janet, because she doesn't care.... I don't do this for acknowledgement from Janet. I do it from the heart.
However, without going into specifics, how do you think I was able to upload this video to Facebook, Vimeo, and YouTube without an issue? Exactly.
If being right and being included means that much to you, you are a sad individual. I wasn't going to give you the satisfaction of responding to your pettiness, but I'm not going to be bullied or belittled anymore.
As someone that's known you for nearly 10 years. As someone that admired you at one time. As someone I considered a friend (even in the online world).. .I am ashamed and disappointed.
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Michael has always been conflicting to me. Because he has songs like They Don't Care About Us, the Panther segment of Black or White, Remember the Time, etc that are very obviously pro-black but on the other hand he tried to pass off two white children as his biological children. Like I used to be one of those fans that said those were his kids but it's clear that Prince & Paris aren't his(he's still their father because he raised them). Like that's deeper than self-hate to me tbh. Like I know he has statements of being a proud black man and he couldn't control his vitiligo(yes he bleached his skin to even it out) but still contradictory..
I think Janet is a proud black woman and I sort of wish she wouldn't have shared that video and included the #ALLIVESMATTER. Janet's intention isn't the same as white racists trying to derail but now she's grouped with people like Stacy Dash and Wendy Williams.
Also someone needs to tell Prince that he's white and honestly his opinions are irrelevant. I don't care who your father is.
There was some initial backlash on Twitter, but that was from people trolling and/or who don't know Janet's discography. That she has always spoken on social issues. Especially those relating to the black community. I'm willing to bet 99% of those "Twitter Activists" didn't even watch the video and have never heard the song.
She was being inclusive because her fanbase is so broad. Probably the broadest fan base of any living artist today. However, her sharing a video (from a song she recorded nearly 20 years ago) more than speaks to what she really feels.
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I don't remember where I read this, but I believe the exclusive contracts Janet signed with Pioneer expire around 2017.
It's the reason Janet's team pulled almost all of the bootleg clips of the RN tour off of YouTube. They are probably close to releasing it. Madonna signed a similar contract for the Blonde Ambition tour. In fact, Pioneer still owns the rights to that tour.
As for the quality debate. You're both right in different ways. Like that "Wizard of OZ" Blue Ray. You take the best (high quality) print of the production. Restore it from the original negatives, digitally remaster it, and market it as "HD". Basically, it'll look better than you've ever seen it previously, and it can be marketed as "high definition", but by the standard of which productions are now filmed, it's not. It's more so a marketing ploy. lol Game is right in that sense.
The RN tour was actually filmed in HD, but it still has to be remastered, and it won't look comparable to HD filmed now. However, it will still look EXCEPTIONAL in quality. Based on the fact that it was actually filmed in HD, and after digital restoring/remastering. Dal is right in that sense.
I think it's more so the contracts. It can also be supply and demand. We want it, but is that audience big enough to justify a major release. Even via Netflix.
If Janet truly is coming back after having a child, she'll probably do a major release of all the tours with the Unbreakable Tour. That's just a guess.-
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All of that sounds like a personal problem. Perhaps a jealously that's personal?
Whatever the case, I hope you find someone to help you with that.
However, I do want to thank you for helping me with the Blueprint video. I remember when myself, you, and Cassidy were talking through the idea. lol I think it was Cassidy's idea originally. She suggested it to me, I thought it was brilliant, and then I came to you for the receipts. lol
Uplifting Janet and reminding the world of what she contributed, when so many people were trying to dismiss, deny, and disregard her impact. A labor of love from us meant to spread positivity.
You and I did something really great with that video. Fans, causal fans, even people that don't really check for Janet have seen that video. I'm thankful that I was even part of it, much less the one that put it all together.
A pity that only one of us continues to try and spread that positivity and uplift Janet in the face of negativity......................-
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Austin is so pressed by me.
He’s mad that outside of one or two people he has NO influence within the Janet fan community.He’s mad that I’m actually doing something with the minuscule (virtually insignificant) platform that I do have. Instead of bitching, moaning, and complaining (or wanting to be right, simply because YOU aren’t happy with an era)
He’s mad that even with my small platform, I have the attention of Janet’s team.He’s mad that I called him out for saying certain things because he’s trying to fit in with a certain crowd.
So mad that he has to attempt to spread lies in attempt to diminish what I’ve done.
So mad that he posted an article from the Inquisitor (written by a KNOWN Madonna stan, using his platform to trash Janet), to prove his “point”
However, I’m so glad you did post that article, because I’m going to use it to prove my point…Those of you that care please follow along.
First and foremost, the writer of that article is NOT referencing me at any point in that article.
Receipts are as follows
Instead of concentrating on Janet’s strengths, which she still has, we were given articles, most likely influenced by her PR team, on how Janet is more important than Madonna, how Janet Jackson is aging better than Madonna, and how Madonna needs to learn about comebacks from Janet.
Notice the highlighted red sections. The same words are highlighted on his site. Click them. They take you to the following articles.
more important - Why The “Unbreakable” Janet Jackson Is More Important Than Madonna
written by: BY MATTHEW ISMAEL RUIZ
http://flavorwire.com/541101/why-the-unbreakable-janet-jackson-is-more-important-than-madonna
aging better - Janet Charts an Unbreakable Path for the Aging Pop Star
Written by: MICHAEL ARCENEAUX
Would you look at that, the actual articles he linked… NOT written by me.
BTW, the only other articles linked within that article is an NY Times article listing the 2016 inductees and an article he wrote trashing Janet.Which brings me to my second point. Have you all taken the time to read the articles by that author on that site?
If not, let me bring you all up to speed
Posted: December 8th 2015 -Janet Jackson Has A Lot To Learn From Adele, Taylor Swift, And Beyoncé That Doesn’t Require A ‘Free’ Uber Ride
Posted: November 21st 2015 -
BRITNEY SPEARS AND JANET JACKSON PLAY LESS THAN FULL HOUSES ON CURRENT TOURS
Posted November 11th 2015 -
JANET JACKSON AND JUSTIN BIEBER OUTRAGE MUSIC INDUSTRY WATCHERS OVER ALLEGED CHART FRAUD
Posted October 24th 2015
JANET JACKSON ACCUSED OF INFLATING ALBUM SALES WITH CONCERT T-SHIRT BUNDLE
Posted October 9th 2015
JANET JACKSON WILL DEBUT AT NO. 1 WITH ‘UNBREAKABLE,’ BUT IS EXPECTED TO TAKE GIGANTIC DROP NEXT WEEK
Posted September 12th 2015
‘REBEL HEART TOUR’ PROVES MADONNA TO BE A GREAT VOCALIST: SORRY, JANET JACKSON AND BRITNEY SPEARS
Posted September 5th 2015
JANET JACKSON’S NEW ‘UNBREAKABLE’ SINGLE FALLS OFF ITUNES AFTER JUST ONE DAY
Posted July 13th 2015
JANET JACKSON COMEBACK HIT WITH BAD NEWS AS NO SLEEEP BOMBS
http://www.inquisitr.com/2249325/janet-jackson-comeback-hit-with-bad-news-as-no-sleeep-bombs/
Posted July 1st 2015
JANET JACKSON’s ‘NO SLEEP’ DEBUTS AT No. 67: SUCCESS OR FLOP
http://www.inquisitr.com/2217673/janet-jacksons-no-sleeep-debuts-at-no-67-success-or-flop/
Posted June 24th 2015
Janet Jackson’s ‘No Sleeep’ Crashes On iTunes After Just One Day
http://www.inquisitr.com/2199505/janet-jacksons-no-sleeep-crashes-on-itunes-after-just-one-day/
That is someone using their platform in a negative way. Not only has he trashed Janet, but he’s done so with lies, and/or skewing the truth.
I’ve done nothing, but attempt to uplift Janet, and remind people of the success she's had, with the little she’s done so far this era.
You want to know why I’m getting attention from Janet’s team (specifically Jimmy Jam)? The articles above (on a MAJOR website) gets spread throughout social media, and each one portray this era negatively with outright lies . My articles get attention, because I spread positivity, and come with facts.
Similar to how Janet’s team share ThatGrapeJuice’s articles. TGJ is VERY good to Janet. Just like they are good to Beyonce. They are almost never completely positive when it comes to Rihanna or Mariah (If any of you have noticed lol)
BTW, Janet’s team has never shared any of mine on her Twitter account OR on Facebook. Why? I’m not big enough. lol Something I completely understand. Jimmy shares them instead, which I’m okay with, and I’m SHOCKED each time he does. lol
Instead of supporting that, you’re jealous because of your own personal feelings about this era, wanting to be right, and the fact that Jimmy shares what myself and others write on my site. That’s petty, sad, and says a lot about you as a person.
If you don't like me and what I'm doing... Fine! Don't spread lies. There is no need for that, and I wouldn't do it with you.
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what does this have to do with being bored?
It's about seeing the bigger picture for the era, and why things are happening the way they are.
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Don't waste your time trying to convince these kids that Janet has a plan cause they will still bitch and moan that they want it "all" right now and that she is missing big opportunities by not promoting. Then they will tell you that you are policing their feelings and opinions. It's like shut up already.
Janet is cracking me up with her "I've been listening" approach because she fails to say "but I'm going to do things my way regardless". 
Come through Janet! 
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All I want is public performances, and videos. I dont give four flying fucks about ANYTHING else!
And that's coming in time. Which will give the project itself, and the era as a whole, sustained success (what Janet and team cares about lol).
Give it time and let the pieces come together. It's coming in due time.
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The meltdowns over Janet not having a traditional campaign
The seething because you don't know what's coming
Again, the issue is the fact that she's not following the traditional roll out for an album. She's building toward sustained success for the project, not a project that comes and goes within months after it's release (the case for most pop acts these day). She's taking it back to when an artist could work an album for years.1st - Why didn't Janet do any promo prior to and now just the albums release? Look no further than Madonna.... she went on a major promo tour. Money for that promo tour either came out of Madonna's pockets and/or Live Nation footed the bill. Madonna performed on major award shows and talks shows worldwide. What were the results? She did better than Janet worldwide, but in the US, they literally sold the same amount first week (and overall Janet is about to surpass her, if she already hasn't) . Hundreds of thousands, it not, millions of dollars spent on promotion, and outside of the tour, no one cares about "Rebel Heart" at this point.
The hype around Janet's 1st project in seven years has carried the project initially, along with a brilliant choice for the 1st single. She went for the Urban AC market, and they ate it up. "No Sleeep" is still in the top 3, and continues to do so well, it just may go back to #1 for a 10th week on that chart. The "Unbreakable" single is close to breaking the top 10 on Urban AC.... without any promotion. <---- I.E Millions of promo dollars NOT spent.
Also, with her being an independent artist, she can sell albums (tied to merchandise) at the tour, and still garner decent numbers and placement on Billboard each week..... again, without any promotion. <---- I.E Millions of promo dollars NOT spent.
That sets her for all of 2015 without having to give a single interview or performance (besides the tour), and still have one of the best selling albums of the year.
Which sets up her and "Unbreakable" up for the 2nd year into the project (2016). Now when she gives that first major interview, whenever she gives that first major performance, it's still going to be a big deal, because the general public has still yet to hear from her or see her.... <---- Well, look at what we have here.... An effective non-traditional roll out for an album that has sustained success.
2nd - Why no BIU video immediately upon release of the single? Janet and Missy are piggybacking off of each others success. Increased visibility by putting things out around the same time. Janet is nearly 50 and Missy is over 40. Mainstream radio isn't going to jump at playing them.
BIU was initially used to push preorders for the album. It was also the first dance track that Janet released from this project. That buzz benefited Janet and Missy, and Janet's team has kept the momentum going by having fans and dancers make videos dancing to BIU.
Next, Missy releases the "WTF" video, and it immediately takes off. The single is in the top 5 on iTunes and the video already has 10 million views on Youtube. Radio may or may not, give it major spins, but they are definitely going to spin it thanks to the success it's had.
Finally, Janet comes behind that with the BIU video, her first major dance video in seven years. Heavy buzz for that reason alone, and with Missy being a "factor" again, that's going to create even more hype around the video and single. A single that's still going to be fresh to the majority of the public, btw. Which gives it more of a chance on radio. Especially on urban stations if we get a more Urban remix.
If some of you would just think (and be patient) instead of getting caught up in the album not having a traditional roll out.........
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Better late than never I guess. Im sure Ill be entertained.
I cant with fans shading fans because they want Janet to get on her shit. That's garbage!
No, we're saying things are coming.
It's a bit much to say you're "over" an era a little over a month after an album release. That's ridiculous.
Especially when you know the project is not going to have a traditional roll out and you know things are coming.
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They didn't want Janet to overshadow Missy's release.
That too. lol
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I still want to know, WHAT THE FUCK TOOK THOSE BITCHES SO FUCKING LONG, AND WHEN THE FUCK DO THEY PLAN ON RELEASING IT!!??
That goddamned video better be a good one! I'M STILL FUCKING ANNOYED, and I will not keep my hopes up!
I'll believe it when I see it.
I think the plan is to let Missy release first and then follow that with the BIU video. It's smart, imo, building off their individual success.
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As they say, a hit dog will holler.
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Janet Jackson and Missy Elliott have something very creative up their collaborative sleeve!
The ‘Son of a Gun’ sisters unveiled their latest creation on the opening night of Jackson’s ‘Unbreakable World Tour’ and gave fans good reason to believe the jam, named ‘Burn It Up’, would receive a supporting music video.
Unfortunately, fans knew very little about the release leading some to believe that it didn’t exist.
How wrong they were!Missy’s latest artist Sharaya J caught up with the British publication ‘Team Curtains’ and revealed that the ladies are gearing up to release the video which marks the first Janet visual since the unveiling of her ‘No Sleeep’ video and will follow a year dominated by videos directed by Joseph Kahn.
http://thatgrapejuice.net/2015/11/burn-new-details-emerge-new-janet-jackson-video/
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"I'm so done with this era"
"Janet doesn't want to win"
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I don't understand why its a problem that some of her fans want her to succeed and promote an album that some consider a masterpiece...why is that an issue? I get that Janet's glory days has passed, I get that she could probably care less about any of this, but why cant her fans stress their disappointment with how things are going on her site?! That's foolishness. Even if she said that she will be doing things unconventional, people still have the right NOT to like how things are going. FUCKUMEAN
Because she has and is succeeding.
She's on a world tour, playing ARENAS. Something that many of her doubters said she would never do again.
She had a #1 album, something may of her doubters said she would never get again. Remember when they said she wouldn't even surpass Ciara's debut with Jackie? There were some saying it (and meant it).
We know things are coming, so what are some complaining about? It not having a traditional campaign? That is simply living in the past, no matter how some try to frame it as "wanting to see her win"... because she already has.
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On a serious note (lol), we know there is a three year plan in place.
Remember, she's an independent artist. She doesn't have to sell a certain amount immediately. She doesn't have the pressure of the label moving on to another artist after the first few weeks of sales, because that's all they need to look "good" on paper.
We didn't get a No Sleeep video until a full month after it's release. I don't even think BIU has been properly serviced to Radio, yet (I could be wrong about that). It's a different ball game in terms of the industry and Janet as a artist. I think a video is coming, it's just not going to happen when we would expect in the "traditional" roll out/promo campaign of a project.
Keep in mind, whenever we get a BIU video and it's serviced to more pop/rhythmic stations, it's still going to be a new song to the masses.
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You all were just ganging up on Austin. NOW you all are sounding just like him. Odd
I dont know about you alls interpretation of her actions but for me since DAY ONE ..nothing about this era screamed "Look at me.,Im Janet JACKSON COMING BACK TO SHUT THE INDUSTRY DOWN AND MAKE THE GLOBAL HEADS BOW DOWN" .. Since DAY ONE.. It was a "fans era" not about global domination. Her hardcore fans (who have stuck by her) seemed to be the focal point. "Ive been listening" is her speaking to her fans not the masses. Janet is an intelligent woman,she knows her glory days are longgg behind her so why RUN THAT RACE? She's ran it and won many times over. She's a champion sitting.on her throne...she's secure and at peace with her legacy. And i FUCKING LOVE IT. The unconventional things and ways about Janet that we all have praised and loved about her seems to discourage you all now. I guess I get what she's doing and where she's goin with all this.
"She's not tryna win with this era"
Win what exactly? It was.NEVER gonna be a huge era ANYWAYYYY people, she's 50! Get to know reality he is sitting right next to you. You all can go back and forth and be worried about this and that like we're back in 1993... but imma ride out the wave of this new unconventional Janet cus my love for this woman will never fall ..EVER. Do you Janet, cus i "get it" maybe the rest of your fans will eventually catch up.
If its known there is a plan.set...then why are you all.in shambles? What? The mystery of it all huh? Cus you dont know anything,eh? Well maybe thats the plan.,,she's getting you all right where she wants you. Didn't stop to think about that did you? There's a method to her madness. Be calm
Dayz actually makes sense! It's good to see his mind isn't always clouded with getting banged out by trade all over America!
"...because evvvverrry HO life matters...."
Yaaaayyy Dayz!
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Stop with the lies. Gil don't recognize me from no social media. I never followed him on twitter or instagram and never had him on facebook. He damn sure don't come to this forum and hasn't been here since the Damita Jo era and I wasn't dragging him then. The only place he'd know me from is Janet-Xone and I hardly went there and he stopped going there himself. He wouldn't recognize me out of thousands of fans and others that also constantly drag him so just stop with the B.S.
The only way he'd recognize me is if he saved my pic on his computer or somethingThank you! The Gil cheerleaders act like that man don't have a reputation for being standoffish and rude at times just because they met him in person and he was nice to them that time.
HoeHoe just because you don't see him, doesn't mean he doesn't see you. lol I've heard that fans have sent him stuff fans say on Twitter, etc. So he probably recognized you and paid you dust!
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HoeHoe, Gil probably recognized you from social media. You're constantly dragging him. He ignored you for that reason.
I'm glad you had a good time, though!
Again, I like a bitch that's right, and had you been right, I wouldn't have said a word.
140 to 160 isn't much when you're including albums, singles, and videos. 14 to 18 when you're just talking about pure album sales? Come on Lamont, you're better than that. 
Every now and then I still get a little mad at Janet just cause it feels like she's just given up. Austin you should've maybe hit Lamont up in the DM and told him about the mistakes in the video tho. Anyway all this is definitely because of Janet. Had this era would've been done the right way by her none of us would be fighting. Everybody was promoting Janet's album except her. Still love her tho but Janet get it together after this baby lol
Come through Janet! 
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....Great thread, Matt.