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    The Re-Introduce Yourself Thread

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    I joined probably back in 2004-2005 and I've generally always had this name sans when we first moved over to this board but I don't come around much anymore. I'm 24. A young based god. I live in Los Angeles, CA, and am about to uproot to NYC.

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    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

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    Bias is bias.. And your love for his music clouds your judgement to the point you ignore the facts o

    Name calling? The non-factor or the wacko thing? That's not an insult.. Just a label.

    That counts as sponsor... And he didn't exactly make money from it which proves even more than artists need sponsors :)

    Im just waiting for you to give me some facts from this case to support your arguments about the case. :coffee:

    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    1) All touring artists have sponsors... MJ had one for ALL HIS TOURS... Madonna too.. get over yourself if you think someone can tour mainstream with no sponsor :lmao: First of all... you don't need a sponsor to print a ticket and take people's money before the show starts... Yeah.. You just mentioned how his family and friends doubted him yet you bring up something that wasn't even written in stone.. NEXT

    2) I didn't say he couldn't sell tickets.. I said he couldn't tour in this country.. there's a difference... and with no sponsor = no tour.. Just like Janet in 2004.. 2006.. post-Superbowl... and he wasn't touring when he died :lmao:... He was barely rehearsing

    3) You can't compare a #1s album from a top artist who died to Celine Dion or any studio album... :blink::umm: wtf? :lmao: What's next.. the Beatles? Elvis? stoppit

    4) The fact that you're a fan of MJ makes you biased... You should know what legal biased is Track... It's quite obvious... I don't care to talk about the case to a biased-MJ wacko... That's like talking to NASCAR fans about whether or not driving in circles is a sport

    Okay, Game. You do realize his first concert was mere days away at the time of his death. He was not barely rehearsing. And yes, I know what legally biased means. I can like someone, love someone even, but I also know what a level of proof is and again you have not legally refuted any thing that I just stated about the case. When you've lost your argument you grow silent or resort to name calling. How sophisticated of you.

    And you've already refuted your notion that everyone needs a sponsor by saying that he had a joint business venture with a Prince. So I guess, everyone doesn't need a sponsor.

    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    1) His show was in 2001... People forgave him for his first trial... Fast forward to 2009 where no one cares for a two-time accused child molester and no company would have sponsored him.. No company... FACT: Celebs are scored based on LIKEABILITY... MJ's public opinion before death in the United States was unsatisfactory... You will deal

    http://losangeles.cb...d-before-death/

    2) MJ hasn't toured over 15 years.. Celine has. I don't care if it's a soap box or a grand stage.. Celine has topped MJ's best tour with inflation. Dion is no entertainer but she can sell tickets and show up... She can garner sponsorships and endorsements... MJ couldn't... not post-2005... and barely post 1993

    3) I can't tell what it sold in 2003.. but it wasn't the top 10 selling albums of 2004 not-to-mention it was released around November 2003... an MJB scheme... and his album surged post-death.. Can't compare his post death album sales to someone who isn't dead.. that's not fair... also not fair.. comparing a greatest hit album to a studio album by Celine Dion :blink:

    4) Yeah I have and they all expressed doubt... Doubt that he couldn't do all 50 shows or more... but YOU are not on jury so what you think AEG should have done and that you think AEG is guilty... well that is biased and arbitrary (since you're a MJ wacko). Plus you're ignoring the fact that he had a prescription drug problem... and had a thing for propofol

    1.) Why do you need a sponsor to tour? Clearly with no sponsor he sold 1 million tickets in hours. What have your favorites done that can compare? In court documents showed an AEG document which showed the CEO saying that they could sell out 200 shows in London alone! Who needs a sponsor? Certainly not Michael Jackson. Further in court documents showed that AEG, despite your unfounded and weirded theory had plans to tour not only London, but some other 100 shows in Europe and YES! even the United States and eventually ending with a MJ residency in Las Vegas! This by, AEG estimates would earn him $130 million. (MJ Expert said $850 Million.) All they needed was Michael Jackson's approval which they hoped to gain once he continued touring, again stating that it was up to Michael, not some opinion poll, whether he toured the United States or anywhere else.

    2.) How do you keep saying that Michael Jackson couldn't sell tickets, when he sold a million in mere hours and according to AEG itself could have sold up to 4 million!!!! Your logic is not adding up! Just because Michael Jackson was in a financial state where he did not have to continue to tour and decided not to and instead decided to enjoy his life with his children does not mean he couldn't sell out shows. At that point, he felt as though he no longer had nothing to prove. He always stated that he hates touring and that he wouldn't tour after a certain point because he didn't want to end up like his idols James Brown and Elvis, touring until their last breath (which ended up happening anyways) :coffee:

    3.) Furthermore, yes I can compare a greatest hits album to a studio album, because of the simple record business notion that greatest hits albums do not sell like a studio album sells.

    4.)Furthermore, I am not biased and arbitrary. I both study and pratice the law and thus know legal standards. The fact is that there is documented evidence that people expressed concern about Michael Jackson's health, AEG supplied a doctor to care for MJ's health, looked into the situation and thought the doctor to be suitable, although Michael was coming in to rehearsals gaunt and talking to himself. That is not biased, that is based on the facts. Not a damn penny, is going into my pocket. :coffee:

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    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    1) I created a thread about a lot of non-factors and just because I made a thread doesn't mean he's not a non-factor

    2) I'm sure everyone thought MJ could do it.. Including ThatOtherGuy

    3) He picked the venue.. AEG picked the nation... For a reason.. That reason is MJ didn't have a good popular opinion in this country

    4) That's awesome! But couldn't tour here since barely 1993 :umm: and that was before his 2nd molestation case... Sooo things have awkwardly took a turn for the worse..

    5) Celine didn't die tho so can you compare? Yeah he's sold 5x platinum... Congrats.. How many were before his death :unsure:

    You say he couldn't tour here; however, Michael chose not to tour here. There is no proof that you have to suggest that he wouldn't be able to tour here. I've shown you that record numbers of people tuned in to watch his performances as late as 2001. Anytime he sat down for an interview, easily 30 million people would tune in. Where are your facts? I don't want your ill-informed opinions. :coffee:

    You are the one trying to add validity to AEG claims that Celine Dion was a bigger draw than Michael Jackson and comparing her 700 show residency to a MJ tour of 50 dates. So yes, I can compare, number 1s was double platinum in it's first year out; before he passed. So, there's that, and there wasn't even new material on there. Surely you don't want to compare his late album of original work with Celine's measly one million sales. Not even Celine believes she's now or ever been a bigger draw than Michael Jackson. :coffee:

    And furthermore, in regards to number your number 2; you claim to be so engrossed in the trial (of a "non-factor"; might I add) but yet you seem to have missed the entire Jackson family side of the case where the make-up artist, the dancer, the executive producer all expressed their doubts and concerns for Michael's health days and weeks before his death and AEG sat and did nothing but forced him to continue. This is gross negligence on their part and thus, Katherine Jackson should be awarded damages of some sort.

    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    Game, stop being a brick.

    1.) You just called Michael Jackson a non-factor when you are the one who created a thread to discuss him. Good night.

    2.) You must also realize that AEG has a bias to make their ridiculous claims that they've made in court. You must also remember that these same AEG persons also claimed Michael was in tip-top phsyical health and was ready and able to tour 50 shows. So there's that.

    3.) When someone tour more than someone, it's a good chance that you are probably going to make more money then someone not touring. Comparing Celine Dion tours that have over 700 dates to Michael Jackson's 50 and 70 date tours (that's on the high end of his tour); so there's that. WHen This is It was announced, 2 million people tried to buy tickets. AEG President Randy Phillips himself stated that they could have sold out more dates but Michael Jackson only wanted to do 50 because he had other career plans, namely to take the tour to other places as a final concert to his fans. Michael Jackson chose the 02 arena, and this is documented and not speculated, because Prince, who he deemed as a counterpart did 18 dates there; thus when he was initally only going to do 10, he wanted to beat Prince's record and thus signed up for more.. playing in front of 1,000,000 people in the same arena!

    4.) Furthermore, when Michael Jackson took the stage in 2001, 450 million people tuned in worldwide (26 million -- or 1 in every 10 theoretical US households) to watch and Michael Jackson made some unprecedent $150,000 per minute of performing. You can lie, AEG can lie, but numbers do not lie! :coffee:

    5.) Then you want to talk about album sales, post child molestation allegations, his Number 1s album sold nearly 5 million albums in the United States. Celine Dion's last album 1 million. :coffee:

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    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    They picked the UK for a reason trackboy.. They would have a hard time finding a sponsor for someone with poor public opinion in the States.

    You are over-estimating him. The whole purpose of touring is showing up.. It's not a lottery... There's no doubt that people wanted to see him.. But would he follow through? Probably not.

    He flaked on many concerts.. All this was said at trial so you can look at the transcript.

    Canceling a show due to health reasons is one thing; flaking on a concert tour is another. You act like Janet hasn't canceled a concert. Hell, even Beyonce recently just canceled a show because she wasn't well enough to lip-synch through most of her numbers. But this is not them. They chose the UK because they needed a venue that Michael Jackson would be able to have for 50 dates. They chose the 02 because it's prestigious and Prince did a string of concert dates there. No place in America sans Vegas would have been able to accommodate that could hold 20,000 people. It's all about the tickets. They didn't need a sponsor.. AEG was sponsoring it.

    And all I'm saying is that Michael Jackson has not canceled an announced apperance in the 2000s, to my knowledge, so to call him a flake is both false and incredulous. Just because someone pulls out of a business contract does not make them a flake. I pulled out of two, myself, just last week because I could not physically be three places at one time, though I wanted to do both of them. Am I now a flake?

    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    I'm not sure what two concerts in NY you're talking about or however long ago that was but MJ is a flake.. There's no way he would finish this concert series.. AEG wishes.

    He had the drawing power in the UK.. Though that's if he's show up to the event

    So you think that Americans who had the means to fly to UK weren't in droves buying tickets? You don't think that if he had shows in America they would sell out. I think you underestimate Mike. Whether he was physically able to do them or not is one thing, the drawing power was/still is there. Anytime he did an interview to talk about the same shit, 40 million people tuned in. How is that not drawing power. Point me to someone else doing that, ever?!?! NO ONE! Like to put it in context, Michael Jackson sold 1 million tickets in something like 15 minutes! NO ONE has ever done that!

    And what evidence do you have that MJ is flake?I Michael's only tour that was cut short was when the allegations in 93 surfaced. And I mean, I'd probably cancel some dates if my innocence was being questioned as well..

    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    Katherine won't win.. If she does.. She's not getting a billion.. Not with MJ's drug history

    I think she has a good chance of winning; and of course she's not going to get a billion dollars. But you ask for just to give the jury a sense of the magnitutde of which this death was. It wasn't just like a measly 20 MIL. This was Michael Jackson. And forget what people said.. This guy sold out 50 concerts in the same building in mere minutes. He got like 20 mil for those two concerts in NYC alone. He was still a commodity with drawing power.

    AEG found non-liable for MJ's Death

    in Free Xone

    Posted

    This is the most drawn out trial ever. If I was a juror, I'd be peeved to have to take out this much time out of my life. How much is Katherine suing for? I heard water cooler talk that the attorney was going to try to ask for a billion. :asham:

    I hope they milk AEG for everything for all the price gauging they do with ticket prices, and with LA Live.. :shifty:

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