trackboy

So we're just going to pretend Soulja Boy, Tyga, etc don't exist? I can't with you delusional barbz!     

My point was that she was the first female to do it. Tyga and Soulja Boy females? Nah. She may be the first artist but I don't know because I don't know every artist's upbringing. I do know that the artist I named followed Nicki's trajectory. 

Furthermore,  Soulja Boy had a hit single before he was signed. Tyga was signed to his cousin's Travie label before he released mix tapes and a full album before he signed with Young Money. 

Okay and where is that impact? Getting a deal is by luck. No one can pioneer that. It was in no way shape or form innovative but that was a nice try. I understand you want Nicki to be a legend but it's not happening. Rappers have been using that route before Nicki and after Nicki. Her being a female has nothing to do with the success of artists using mix tapes to get signed and it's a very poor argument that you're using to be quite honest. She has in no way, shape or form changed the music industry but I guess I can't expect you delusional barbs to understand that.

 

And LOL at you calling me late. I knew Nicki wayyyy before she blew up. I was a huge Wayne fan too and Nicki was definitely on Da Drought 3, which was released before the Dedication 3 and before her "three highly acclaimed mix tapes" but I'm the late one... okay. You tried and failed. 

 

I stand corrected. You're not as late as I thought you were.    Name someone who used that route to get signed before Nicki. 

Me too. I play it when I'm getting to head out to the castro

What's the castro?  sounds like some fun.

I need that got me so drunk got me so wasted song for the weekend. 

Vodoochild aren't in Atlanta? I'm roaming the city the weekend. 

East Atlanta's Raury

I don't think being a female has anything to do with that. Mixtapes are the climate of hip hop right now, and kind of music in general. If you want your music heard then you're going to have to create a mixtape, regardless of your gender. Nicki didn't open the mixtape door, she walked thru it. I remember the first time I ever heard her was on a Lil Wayne mixtape. They were very popular before her and will remain popular after she fades.

Okay, Mr. Me too. 

First, mixtapes have always been the climate of hip hop since the very beginning.

Second, You don't have to create a mixtape.

Third, what I specifically said and be sure to read this carefully because you all's reading comprehension is a little lacking, is that NICKI was the FIRST female (and maybe the first artist, period) artist to SUCCESSFULLY use the MIXTAPE ROUTE to GET A DEAL.   Furthermore SINCE NICKI SIGNED TO YOUNG MONEY -- NOW THE HIP HOP GAME HAS CHANGED WHERE YOU SEE MORE AND MORE RAPPERS USING THIS ROUTE more than ANY OTHER and I listed examples.

Never did I say she invented the mixtape nor that the mixtape was unpopular.  Just that before Nicki, people were not getting signed off of their MIXTAPE GAME ALONE.

SINCE NICKI -- DRAKE, J. Cole, THE WEEKND, etc. etc. all major names have FOLLOWED THE ROUTE.

Finally, just because your late ass, first heard her on a Lil Wayne mixtape means absolutely nothing. As a huge Wayne fan, I don't think I recall hearing her on a Wayne mixtape before Dedication 3 and that was after her three highly acclaimed mix tapes and winning the award for best underground female MC and signing to Young Money.

 

 

 

       Yea I totally imagined you saying that... . And basically you're still not answering the most important question, I asked. NO YOU DID NOT JUST SAY SHE NEVER RAPPED LIKE LIL KIM OR LEFT EYE , so now you really sound like a stan in denial , did you miss earlier when a video chopped her ass for literally copy & pasting Lil Kim lyrics? And to not hear Lisa is to deny Nicke ever raised her pitch. LOFL I wasn't ignoring that about Iggy, that just has nothing to do with right now, right now she's on top on terms of singles, I mean what has Nicki's singles done this year?

Do your homework Joe, she JACKED Kim, Kims been saying that for years, and it's been proven.

 

LMAOOOOOO. So Kim says Mistress.. I guess Beyonce is stealing form Kim when she says Mistress too. Lil Kim says Barbie so I guess Gwen Stefani is stealing from her when she says Barbie. And sayings such as Fuck You, Pay Me -- that's from Goodfellas -- a movie, like Scarface that is highly referenced in hip-hop culture but of course how could you know when you staining for Christina Aguilera. Chile good eve. 

The only reputable "steal" in this was the freaky girl remix and that was when Nicki actually remixed a song that Kim was on.

Where's Kim in this? Where's Left Eye?  "Oh Nicki said Bitch.. Kim said Bitch before. She stealing!"  Nahhhh, you girls are reaching. She's talented rather you like her or not. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg1tO7yQ0dE

How High

Kanye also said he & Kim are more influential than The President & The 1st Lady, thus he's said alot of stupid thing's, his opinion is a joke, and very much not based on a fact but more so their friendship. And you're still avoiding the question of what door she opened that nobody else has, or what is there about her that she brings to the table worth copying? 

 

Yea cause they have so much to do with the conversation? I'll answer that when you quote me saying either of them did  

You are ignoring Rah Digga's comments and a host of other rappers who have gave props to Nicki but of course you would.  

but I've already named a door she opened that nobody else had opened. The first female to create a buzz for herself through mix tapes to get a major record deal. That model has successful been used for other females such as Azaelia Banks and Iggy Azaelia.. as well as males such as Drake, J. Cole, The Weeknd, to name a few and the list continues. But I'm sleep. 

This the song I play when I want to get warmed up for the turn up.

No. I generally like and get along with everyone.

What's your favorite item in your closet?

Joe you're sounding too much like a Bey stan excusing copying for the sake of selling. She may be bigger than who she copied (right now) but she's defintely not better than any of them. SO I'll ask you what I asked Game, does sales make an artist style influential or not?

 

LOFL yea you posted stats, nobody's talking about her stats, we're talking her copying. You and all the other Nicki stans have YET to say anything about her that opened the door to others, And not her stats. Tell me what is there about Nicki Minaj that someone in 15 years can aim to copy that comes directly from her 1st and nobody else. I stay dismissing her success because it's got nothing to do with what I'm discussing, HOWever, you stay dismissing her thieving. 

 

Um Joe, you have yet to point out who Iggy is a direct copy of. And yea I think she's better than Nicki without necissarily even being a fan of hers, I just don't think it's that hard for a female MC to be better than Nicki, that opinion's not changing, and no amount of success Nicki has will. She could do Thriller numbers and I still will look down at her for being a complete ripoff with whack music, the ripoff is a fact and the whack music is my opinion. And Dayz post was the wrong post to latch on to, that was more about how he's pressed over my feelings about Justin and clinging to the oposing side of this argument for a pathetic attempt at a failed jab, Agreeing with him is also agreeing that based on their stats and nothing else JT's better than Robin, and Bey is better than Xtina, are you saying that you honestly agree with that

 

I can't with the assumption I'm a Iggy fan, lets be clear, I just think Nicki is shit, This same argument and replace Iggy's name with Eve, Rah, Charlie, Remy (who I'm also not a fan of) Fergie, or most female rappers, I'll naturally take their side over Nicki, It's not that much about Iggy. But she's whot the topics about. 

Kanye said Nicki is the second best rapper of all time. Not female rapper -- second best rapper period. When you have legends and current artist giving her props who actually know about the rap game you just start to look like a hater.  You don't have to like her but you aren't going to sit her and act like Nicki is some bubble gum artist without talent.

What groundbreaking shit did Robin or Christina do?! 

Not you trying to defend that horrible example, THAT IS NOT COMPARABLE. Kim saying single words like her man, is NOT the same as doing entire songs in a voice or copy & pasting the same lyrics. How about lets not act like that's at all comparable. For that to be comparable, Kim would have to hate Biggie, and copy more than just a word or 2. Then you'd have a case. Nah Im gonna call her stupidity out everytime she shows it. Ummmm....when I say style jacking Im not directly referring to the clothes    , I'm talking about the rapping style as well.I didn't mention the clothes (that she steal from Kim & Gaga) at all actually. And you can't change the rap game when you're repeating what's already been done, you sound like a Bey fan with this man. Yes she did look good,..very Foxy Brown....

 

Horrible excuse, Lil Kim's talking voice is lighter than both Lisa & Nicki's but her rapping voice has more bass than both, it's the baby rapping voice I'm talking about, Lisa specialized it, used it in Waterfalls among other songs, and Nicki copies it.

 

But Bey is much more relevant than Nicki, hell she actually had a top 10, again where is Nicki on those charts?

I don't know I missed this and I agree that Beyonce is the more relevant of the two but I mean are you SERIOUS about where is Nicki on the charts.. her last two albums both Number 1 Albums. 8 top 10 singles of her own. You sound like a hater.. you do. She's suppose to change her voice because her voice sounds like Left Eye. Chile bye. And now her BET appearance looked like Foxy Brown?! The girls can't take.  

I'm like weirdly excited about this.. 

"Just 1 Comment Tho-- Y'all hate Nicki so much y'all ready to hand it all over to the female Vanilla Ice?? Okay I'm done. *sips tea slow*"

"[Nicki is] egotistical and delusional but she can rap though."

-- Rah Digga. 

1. LOFL yea sorry she still came out with a mixtape before her album, successful or not, it was done before Nicki thus she's not the 1st.

2. WHAT?!?!? HA,  the entire Miss E & Under Construction eras are both catered more towards pop than any era she's ever done. Lisa's solo career can be included because of all of her features.she OWNS & owned every time.

3. Yea, No, her success is irrelevant to the topic at hand, She's opened no door that wasn't already open, MJ did, Nicki didn't. Roxanne Shante is the 1st to start shit with the boys, and Nicki basically walked through that door. Theres nothing that she's done that makes her a blueprint or originator.

 

But Eminem isn't a women tho....and he came on the scene after Lisa . Im going to need you to use an example of a women doing it before Lisa.

First, The point was Nicki was the first female to introduce and establish her dominance and introduce herself through the mixtape route that was boys only at the time not that Nicki was the first woman to have a mixtape before her album. 

Secondly, again, you're missing the point. While, Missy had wildly successful crossover hits, all of her songs remained true to hip hop as an art form.  Miss E. featured basically every hop rapper in the game at that point mixed with hard beats and R&B vibes.  

Thirdly, as stated, I'm not as familiar with Left Eye's solo career.  If you can lead to some examples of what you are referring to about Nicki copying Left Eye then perhaps I can get a better understanding. I need concrete examples, not mere accusations. 

Nah you're owning the delusinal card in this topic. Iggy has the #1 & is featured on the #2 song on the hot 100 right now........where's Nicki on that chart right now? Where's 1 of her remixes or features on that chart right now? Don't need the certifications, turn on a radio who are you more likely to hear RIGHT NOW? That makes her less relevant than Nicki right NOW. To deny that, is to truly where the hat of delusion.

 

Nice try 

Well, they don't play Iggy on the stations that I listen to, so NICKI.  But furthermore, what kind of simple minded logic is this?  She's more relevant because she has a number 1 and number 2 song on the hot 100?  But how is her album sales?  Shit.  Hell, Nicki just last month headlined HOT 97 which is the number 1 hip-hop radio station in NYC (the biggest market) and Power 105 in Los Angeles.  Iggy not invited. HELL, keeping it on the topic of this thread, who won the award at the show -- Nicki.  Who had her own set at the award show? Nicki. Who had to share with someone else - Oh okay.

Akon was not involved with The Fame Monster, her benchmark work and high point. Laurie Ann Gibson, Nicola Formichetti, Matthew Williams, as well as other integral parts of the "Haus" were all formative in creating her visual presence. Everyone has a team so I'm not sure about what point you're making. The dead friend thing was an accusation made by the girl's mother. Every mother thinks their child is special, and while they may have shared similarities coming up together (as most creative people who are drawn together do) Gaga's look or persona was not based on her.

Back to what doors Gaga opened: theatricality that far exceeded just fashion. Christina, Lil Kim etc were wearing the wacky clothes on red carpets and in videos at points, but it was just that, clothes. Gaga used the clothes, the props, the makeup, the performance style to tell one story and build the myth of "lady gaga." It was over the top in a way no one this generation had done it, especially as a mainstream pop artist.

Now cut to Nicki who came along shortly after and emulated the scale that Gaga took it to, going so far as to attend the Grammys with a Cardinal or whatever for her exorcism performance. That's the theatricality that goes beyond "weird fashion." Not to mention Nicki creating her own "mythology" out of Roman and Barbie and how she expressed that visually. Nicki took the idea of such heavy use of artifice from Gaga, and she's since abandoned that because she moved on and it was never who she truly was.

What's also telling is that when Nicki was still new she said the comparisons to Gaga were a compliment, then changed her tune once Madonna sunk her claws into her.

Wasn't she still on Akon's label when she released the Fame Monster? Yes. My point is that you are giving Lady Gaga the credit when her "Haus" is truly the people who deserve the credit as her creative team. Gaga was just a blank canvas in which to work.  To suggest that Nicki followed some Gaga blueprint because she too dressed weirdly and used theatrics for one performance is a bit of a stretch.  If you want to talk about dressing weirdly, you go back to Boy George. You go to Cyndi Lauper.  You can't just to start keeping track of trends when it aids your argument. 

Yes! I have been very fortunate to at least have two(my mom and my best friend).

 

How often do you get a haircut?

Depends on where I am and what I'm doing. In Atlanta, once a week; in Cali probably twice a week. This summer if I didn't have to go to church. I'd never get my haircut. 

What's your favorite magazine?

Who's acting like that? I would just easily take her over Nicki, that can be said about probably dozens of female rappers really. Yea she hasn't had those things (yet, that we know of) but she is right now musically more relevant than Nicki is my point and Nicki's petty out of line shade just boosted that more.   that's a horrible example, you can't compare Kim saying words like her man to a chick who'll do an entire song in a voice sounding like Left Eye or Kim herself, that is 2 very different things  . Iggy's not basing her image and sound off of anyone directly....so she wins there, may not be 100% original, but she's def not a style jacker.

More relevant that Nicki?!?!  You're delusional and I can't take.  Who is calling Iggy to be on their remixes?!  What radio station shows is Iggy headlining?  What Gold or platinum album does Iggy have?! And I am someone who actually likes Iggy -- seen her three times live - and even PURCHASED the New Classic - but to say she's more relevant than Nicki musically at this point is ludicrous especially when every reputable music publication that reports on hip hop music has stated that Nicki Minaj has one of the most highly anticipated releases this year.

Chile good eve. 

That was Remy Ma.

 

That sounds more like Missy & Lisa

 

That's irrelevant to the topic at hand

 

LOL I won't take away from her success, she is successful, very (righ now) but that doesn't automatically make her a innovative door opener. Those names were more about originality and all of whome are more original and actual door openers in terms of their styles and images and music.

 

Yea I hear that all the time when I come for artists who based their careers off others, everyone copies to some extent but theres copying and basing your whole image and style off multiple people and having next to nothing unique or original about you worth copying. What do I expect? For a artist to show their inspirations by mixing that with their own thing, and mostly do their own thing. There was nobody like Kim before her and the same can be said about LeftEye or Missy

 

1.)  Know your facts. Remy Ma made it into the industry through her connections with Big Pun who died in 2000 and appeared on his album.  Because of her relationship with Big Pun, she was picked up by Fat Joe for Terror Squad and appeared on Lean Back (one of the hottest songs of that year where she didn't get a writer's credit)  and then released a mixtape that hardly made waves before her album, which flopped.

Compare this with Nicki Minaj the superb bitch, who on her own, placed two mix tapes which shook the industry up and gained the attention of Dwayne Carter and then released probably to this day the most well-regarded female mixtape, Beam Me Up Scottie before her career launched. Good night.

2.) While Missy had massive cross over appeal, none of her singles, catered to a pop crowd. Her most successful single, Work It, was actually an ode to old school hip hop.     And in order to open the doors, you actually have to be successful, therefore, unfortunately Lisa's solo career cannot be included.

3.) It's not irrelevant.  When someone opens the door and you go in and do something even bigger than the person before you, then you continue to further open doors for those who come after you.  That's what being a door opener is about. Michael Jackson wasn't the first person to do the moonwalk, to dance in a suit -- (in fact he credits his whole show to James Brown and Fred Astaire and street dancers) but what he did with his ability opened doors for those who came after him to model their career after them.  Likewise, when Nicki Minaj came in going toe to toe with the boys, not trying to stay in the female lane -- dominating the charts-- creating art in other genres and succeeding in those aspects that is setting the stage and opening the door for the next female to come and do it bigger and better.

Gags should be thanking who now? Apart from Grace Jones, Madonna, Bowie and Bjork.

Nicki copied the Gaga blueprint plain as day. And she looked like a fool doing it too.

Akon, the person who signed her and helped her on her first two and most successful albums.  Laurie Ann Gibson who was her creative director at the height of her success.  Aka the last time she went platinum.  Her dead friend whose image she completely ripped off.. I can keep going and going and going.. 

I'll answer that when you answer my question

 

Ah so when people cite her individually as a influence they're really citing all 3, when people say she's 1 of the most versatile skilled female rappers of all time, that's all 3? When Lisa's verse in Ladies night constantly gets praised and called the best part of the song that's all TLC? So when Nicki copy's Lisa's style of going in & out of funny voices and different pitches and speed....she's copying all 3 members of TLC? 

I'm not as familiar with Left Eye's career as you are so I can't really comment on this but there have been other rappers who use various voices and pitches and speeds in their rap material as well -- most notably Eminem, who most considers the best rapper at least right now so maybe she used that for him.  Left Eye was not the first person to use a different voice in her song and clearly isn't the last. 

I have news for you, Dear sweet Whitney wasn't a saint herself.

Tread lightly, sweetie.

Whitney may have indulged in the party life and may have been quick to get a bitch together when need be; but she was not disparaging of people in the least bit -- especially not calling legendary African-American actresses men.

I will be highly pissed off at both parties if this break-up was all a charades for album sales.

on average once a day ....its not the number of times, its the quality of the act, and lately it's gotten pretty intense from working out....

 

Do you like the people you work around?

Currently it's just me and my books, but usually I get along swimmingly with my colleagues.

What type of phone do you have?

Linsanity could only happen in a big enough market where they can actually promote it.

Bobbi Kristina needs to chill the fuck out. My beloved Whitney did not leave this earth for her to be carrying on like this.

I have a feeling this is one of those "it's gotta happen to you" type of scenarios.. Like unexpected pregnancies, cancer, or pulling the plug on a comatose loved one

I don't think some of you all would pull the plug on your friend's relationship.. Possibly hurting your friendship in the end.

I respect a lot of people's opinion on here but This society is full of moral contradictions

Okay for this insightful ass post. 

I don't think such a scenario is as serious as those you mentioned above.

I'd tell my friend but I wouldn't be like you need to dump him/her. I'd be like just so you know and whatever happens after that is between them.  If that hurts our friendship then friends come and friends may go as Janet said.