bu.

I need BASS Peter.

9 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

Still waiting on that fascinating post about the justice system

Where did you get it from? Whose the original poster

It’s from ATRL x

10 minutes ago, Bailey said:

gurl your investment in this story is too much for me   Norman go do something good for yourself, the world anything

*allegedly 

1 minute ago, Bailey said:

Oprah is shady, sorry, she's done a lot in her career no question, but she shady as fuck for this specific instance because it is not true journalism, she didnt provide any evidence, she gave these guys a platform for her own ratings, and worst of all one of her biggest career moments was interviewing MJ at his house, yet here she is throwing him under the bus

She hasn't been a journalist for years. Journalism is dead. 

2 minutes ago, Bailey said:

its a an old phenomenon accompanied by the increased scrutiny of the internet and social media. Our society loves to build a celebrity up and take them down, and often times the take downs are down right ugly vicious and mean spirited.

Side note Oprah is being called all kinds of bitches

It’s what she deserves for still being friends with Harvey

3 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

I did. The good thing about having time on my hands is I can go back and read a 31 page topic which I basically stood clear of. But yeah Bu... Feel free to find one post of me defending George Zimmerman

While you’re at it, where did you find that post about the fair and just justice system?

 

Michael falls under rich obviously. Do you want me to find all the rich men who had to face the justice system? 

Using the same rhetoric as lawyers  “they want money!!!!!” “They want fame”. Every single sex crime, the victim either wants money or power. Weird. But MJ is telling the truth right? Because you fell for the persona of a manipulative drug abuser and his expensive lawyers? Good job. 

You think that’s the only drug MJ had... was Propofol? 

Glad someone’s paying attention

There were multiple thread. Find the one where you baited lamont into an argument where it was you on a George’s side vs him on trayvons

Oh he had the money to win a court case even though he was allegedly broke all those years? Make your mind up or keep on with the Trumpism

Just now, Bailey said:

I dont understand why he wants this so bad I just

He’s wanted it for years which is disgusting. Why would anyone want someone to be a pedophile that bad? I’d have no problem admitting MJ was a pedophile if anyone that accused him didn’t lack credibility. But to blindly believe someone when there’s clear holes and lies is just Trumpism at it's finest.

People on the left have gone too extreme and become exactly like the dumb people on the right. As I’ve said before - “No one on the left wants to be seen to question an alleged victim. The old left wing principle of justice/presumption of innocence has been tossed aside in favour of a new (formerly far right) principle that anyone subject to an allegation must be lynched with zero scrutiny.”

1 minute ago, Bailey said:

objection your honor scope...... that's out of context, if what you're saying is the truth, and I do not deny white privilege as a gay Black man then we can shut all this down right now because yes being white and rich is favored. Now what the hell that has to do with two inconsistent accusers and MJ is another court case

His posts are inconsistent and hypocritical to what he’s done and said over the years. Much like the two guys he believes. 

37 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

Oh weird. This sounds like a white person that has never dealt with the justice system and is too privileged to care about minorities. Can we have the source of this quote  

Comparing R Kelly to Michael Jackson is a shitty attempt to try and misdirect “We don’t have biased opinions, LOOK OVER HERE we hate R Kelly... see! MJ wasn’t a child predator” 

The #MeToo movement was birth bc people wouldn’t listen to the abused. Women AND men are afraid to come forward bc of your rhetoric. The same rhetoric used by lawyers: assassinate characters; kill credibility. It’s the same exact thing and it’s really a sad sad way to approach this topic. Your instinct is to defend a person you don’t even know.. your second is to assassinate the characters.

Pathetic. Take a step back. Look at his abnormal but disgusting behaviors. You won’t even ADMIT to his illicit drug use

You don’t know Michael Jackson... you know his music. Don’t forget that.

It sounds like someone that has common sense and reasoning. And if you want to talk justice system - Michael would never have never have benefited from it since he was a black man. 

No it is not. But keep deflecting - that’s what you’re best at. 

There is nothing #MeToo about this except an obvious attempt to take advantage of the much needed movement. White people always do that - see feminism. If you can’t admit that questioning credibility is important then tbh I hope you never make it onto jury service or ever get accused of a crime because your personality and background would be against you. 

Propofol is not illicit. We already know he was addicted to drugs. There’s no relevance to this though.

11 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

LMFAO you can’t serious about the justice system. You are whining about something being unjustified. I’m sorry. Let’s talk about the justice system and see if it is as “fair” & “balanced” and fool proof! Aka rich/privileged proof

Laquan McDonald - Chicago teen murdered by police officers; all were acquitted

Emantic Fitzgerald Bradford Jr. - murdered by police during a mall shooting; no charges filed; investigation under way

Trayvon Martin - Florida young man murdered by a rent-a-cop; Rent-a-cop acquitted 

Michael Brown - 18 year old from Missouri shot and killed by police officer #HandsUp; Police officer was not indicted  

Tamir Rice - Cleveland boy shot and killed by police after pulling a fake gun out on them; shot twice... no convictions. The family sought money and won $6M but the Wackos would say “They just want money”

Stephan Clark - Sacramento man who was shot by police bc he held up a mobile phone that the police thought was a gun. No one was charged for murder

You were literally defending George Zimmerman back when his trial was happening so shut the fuck up . You cared about fairness then and suddenly you don’t. Fuck your hypocrisy 

This says it best:

“I watched the documentary - and while it's emotional, compelling, and powerful, it does not bring any new evidence to light. All we have is the word of these two men. In an ideological world we could trust someone's word 100%, but the justice system does not work that way. If person X accuses person Y of racism, does it automatically mean person Y is a racist? No. If person X accuses person Y of a hate crime, does it automatically mean said hate crime happened? No. The justice system is built upon a fair trial of even testimonials both sides. Equally such, an accusation without evidence beyond reasonable doubt remains just that... an accusation. Let's flip this round, if you were falsely accused of a sex crime by somebody with financial motives or seeking revenge, and you were thrown in prison based upon the testimony of somebody with absolutely zilch evidence... would you deem that fair? Or just? I'm sure the answer is no. It is vital to our justice system that it remains fair and balanced, because for every 100 sex offenders thrown in prison (where they belong), I'm sure there are a small contingency of people who are wrongly accused. We cannot start a witch hunt on every single person who is accused of sex crimes without reasonable evidence. People need to look beyond the smokescreen of 'Leaving Neverland'. Of course you're going to leave the film thinking everything is true, but you need to understand that the film was made with the sole intention of painting MJ out to be a sexual predator. It's biased and one-sided. Moreso, if you're able to look beyond the movie and research it, you'll see that there are gaping loop holes in some of these stories. The question remains, are these loopholes the product of emotionally disturbed men who are victims of a sexual predator? Or are they the product of an elaborate lie?”

and thats by someone that didnt even like Michael. And if you still don’t get it then it’s a simple case of you don’t actually care and you want MJ to be a pedo which is disgusting in itself. And using #MeToo to try and shame me and jarryl is also a pathetic attempt of deflecting when both of us absolutely abhor R Kelly. Don’t deflect and project your own close mindedness onto us. 

2 hours ago, jarrylf said:

And we all know that's not Trump-like

The "doc" & director tell people to think he's guilty and discourage them from looking at facts and they do and then complain about people fact checking 

 

They cut out parts that have been proven to be untrue in the UK airing  . For example the fake “memorabilia” burning amongst other stuff. 

53 minutes ago, JJATL said:

The defense I see in here of MJ sounds like Trump supporters defending that fool.   Y'all living in denial.  

Boy bye. Unlike trump supports and people that believe the one sided mockumentary we’re looking at all sides and not ignorantly ignoring facts. Quit projecting 

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/ay42cx/a_condensed_version_of_the_major_credibility/?ref=share&ref_source=embed&utm_content=title&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=4bf28035b0cb492797cfae0c0cd2aef6&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=ay42cx

A condensed version of the major credibility issues of Robson and Safechuck.

From Charles Thomson:

FACT-BOMB: The evidence the media refuses to show you about Michael Jackson’s accusers

I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings.

For five years, these men have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents. I’ve tried not to fill my Facebook feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on Facebook – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.

• Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.

• Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.

• In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account.

• Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next.

• Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.

• When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.

• The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway.

• Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars.

• Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.

• Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer.

• Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.

• For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.

• But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway.

• Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.

• Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.

I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania.

Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives.

It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage.

Calm down guys. Anyone that had an issue with Janet being MJ's sister already jumped ship in 2004. Her few remaining fans and stans won't leave just because she defends her brother. Game is proof of that.

Are there any other dancers that have said anything? @jarrylf? Any that performed at the VMA tribute?

1 hour ago, JoeJoe said:

I heard the ratings were a flop

I heard they were good for a paid for service? I don’t know how ratings work in America though 

The key word is allegations. We can’t mute someone based on unprovable and sketchy allegations. If there’s irrefutable proof then by all means Let’s drop them. But until then i’ll keep bopping because it’s not happened yet 

10 hours ago, Voodoo said:

Bitch I know I didn't just read that Oprah is doing an 'After Neverland' special where she will sit down with his accusers....

Chile

Ugh! I just wanted Janet inducted before all of this popped off...im know it doesn't affect anything but Janet might be a little guarded and may stay clear of interviews. Fuck! 

The good sis is trying to bury the documentary about her friend Harvey’s weinstein I see

13 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

Problem? Oh of course you do! Older men think women shouldn’t work after having children

Years ago you literally didn’t want Janet to have kids for this reason . Stop being a hypocrite. 

2 hours ago, Voodoo said:

And so it begins....

Vulture just wrote a damning article about Michael Jackson in response to viewing Leaving Neverland. From what I read the writer thinks he is guilty.

Chile...

A lot of writers do based on just watching the documentary alone. 

2 hours ago, Game For Now said:

Wrong

I never am. You on the other hand...

There is no June 31 . Did they mean July?

A residency is a residency

6 minutes ago, J. said:

 never understood how this equaled retirement anyway. She’s a legacy act at this point.

Literally.

4 minutes ago, J. said:

Djdjdjjf she kinda shut all of that down lol

I literally sighed and laughed when I saw the headline