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Ugh, black folk & this kinda shit  he wore the fuck outta that

The 1st accusor ever admitted nothing happened, that his father lied and commited suicide over the guilt, and he's STILL in hiding. MJ stans don't play.

24 minutes ago, bu. said:

Not to forget he claims in the documentary that MJ taught him to hate women yet he was in a relationship with Mj’s niece for 7 years and they split up because he cheated on her with Britney Spears - breaking up the then IT couple in what was a pop culture shocker. So much for hating women. 

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Ah see I knew they dated but I didn't know what happened, they really trying whatever they can #getmoney 

25 minutes ago, bu. said:

Oh so since I caught you out you’re changing your story to whole career now because you definitely were talking about RIGHT NOW before and even then the point stands - she is not the top especially when you bring white privilege in to the conversation! It’s a classic case of when stanning clouds reality. On top of that nothing those girls have ever song has ever been geared towards the Oscars or movie awards in general except Dreamgirls which won a few awards hence Beyoncé and J hud have been there done that and moved on. Beyoncé’s only disadvantage was that they changed the rules which blocked her from getting included in the nomination for Listen but they seem to have changed the rule back since there was 4 people accepting that award last night. And she hasn’t even tried since then. So she’s still all alone in the house and still not the top. 

Dahrlin....if I brought in Gaga's TV success......it couldn't have been "NOW". And white privilage for or against her....she's got this success...period. And...most of them have put in work into soundtracks to be considered (pretty much everyone I named actually). JHud has no musical or TV success....yet she's trying shes' been trying VERY hard in terms of films over the years, and Bey has very little acting success (nothing prestigious anyway). So unless we're saying Gaga's the only musician who does & has done TV, Film & Music......it's actually a pretty damn crowded ever growing house really. So again....she on top, and basically they all are either trying to or have tried to. Been there done that is actually irrelevant because they tired, period. That's what it's about & it's what it's always been about and no "if's or buts" will do in changing that, it's what is & isn't, and Gaga has all of that, period.

There is 1 threat tho.....(I guess I was the only 1 digging) Mary J. Blige, she hasn't won anything for her acting but she's been nominated now for all the prestigious awards and is doing TV now, so Gaga's still the top, but Mary's trying harder more than anyone else right now (as far as we see)

24 minutes ago, VelvetKnowledge1814 said:

Wade has already been making money off this. The MJ stans have actually found the auction house he sold his MJ memorabilia to. During his lawsuit against the estate, he was asked about the items he sold and said that he made around $6-8K off everything, but one item that's been found on this auction house's website (the "Bad" gloves, I believe) sold for over $30,000, if I remember correctly. If the MJ stans' source holds up, that'll be another detail Wade was lying about in court.

The implication of this also applies to the documentary as apparently there's a scene where Wade is burning MJ memorabilia. If he sold his collection of MJ stuff, then the authenticity of the items he supposedly burns in the doc should be questioned.

I WAS WONDERING IF HE DID THAT WITH THE GLOVE GREETY MUTHAFUCKA TO THE ENNNNND

17 minutes ago, bu. said:

He’s also revised his timeline many times since the first lawsuit was thrown out (in which he submitted forged evidence), and also revised the details of the abuse after looking up the court transcripts online . He’s a bonafide liar and dummies are falling for it. 

AND DUMB DUMBS ARE REEEEALLY BELIVING THIS MAN!?!?!?!   ITS LITERALLY ALL TOO EASY, he makes it too damn false, he literally keeps this all from being taken seriously. This is precious  

2 minutes ago, bu. said:

Im going sleep now so if you’re writing another post @jarrylfi’lldo a rebuttal to your fine ass tomorrow 

I'll be waiting, night Bu bear. wit Yo fine ass

14 minutes ago, Rocknet said:

chile look at that list though? It's busted as hell, I wish they would give Rihanna an acting anything   and Miley Cyrus she should leave the building ....and JLo is only in the building as a place holder she aint even nominated for anything

Again though, talent doesn't have anything to do with it.

12 minutes ago, bu. said:

They did it years ago. They got their success from it. Then they stopped crossing over and focused on other avenues. You’re talking about RIGHT NOW, in your own words. Miley’s focus is music and her marriage right now. Rihanna’s focus is make up and movies right now. Ariana’s focus is music and recovering from anxiety right now. Beyoncé’s focus is to have a break right now before she promotes The Lion King this summer. Jennifer Hudson focus is the Voice UK right now. Jennifer Lopez focus is what she can steal next right now. I don’t even know what’s alicia is doing. But all of those have been there done that and no long trying it therefore my point still stands. Gaga is all alone in the house therefore she is not the top. 

Um.....the point isn't & hasn't been about "right now" (with the exception of the Oscar win) it's about in their entire careers, that's what it's been about, that's why they're worth mentioning. Gaga isn't doing a TV series right now, her season of AHS was like 5yrs ago now....hell Rihanna did Bates Motel 2 years after that. The layout of award wins and nominations weren't contingent on ASIB, it's about all time. And in all time, every singer I named (AND MORE) have ventured into these realms with not much to show for it period, does it mean someone won't next year? No it doesn't, it means right now, in terms of those singers out now & that have, Gaga's the 1 who has this kind of success in MUSIC, TV, & FIlm.....nobody else...yet, but they all try/have tried/Will try, but she's the top cause she succeeded. Does it make her the best at any of it or to do anything singularly, NO, but she's doing it all and she's getting recognized for it all

15 minutes ago, bu. said:

That’s not what I said so you mustn’t be reading. 

Oh we going caps now? Ok then. YOU CANNOT BE THE TOP IF YOU’RE THE ONLY ONE IN THE HOUSE. That’s like me going to a zoo, getting into a cage and saying “i’m The top human on display”. No sis I’m the ONLY human on display. Gaga is NOT the top. I don’t need you to concede. It’s a fact. If there’s 100 girls that trying to cross over into movies and acting st the same time and only one Gaga succeeds then you can say she’s the top. Until then she isn’t. 

This dialogue has been Me: The talent doesn't matter, she's winning in film, TV, & music & nobody else is. You: She's winning but I don't think she's the best at it all so it doesn't matter. 

Except she's not the only one in the house, theres Rihanna, Miley Cyrus, Janelle Monae, Jennifer Lopez, Ariana, Beyonce, Jennifer Hudson, Alicia Keys. They're all in the house, they're all musicians who've done either or both TV & Film......Gaga....is the only 1 of the above who has success in Music, TV, & Film in major ways. I mean J.Hud might be considered close, she has awards for her acting, but not much success at all in music on the other hand, so still not comparable. Nobody else is, and they're trying....

13 minutes ago, Rocknet said:

chile I tried, I just can't its too much to read, what I gather is Bu feels Lady Gaga is over rated at the moment, and Jarry feels she's top of entertainment. I kinda agree with Bu, from what Ive read I dont think Lady Gaga is top of entertainment, put out an original studio album that performs well, that hasnt happen for her in a long while, which kinda explains the whole crop of acting roles and everything else. I just dont think Lady Gaga is the top of it, I think she's extremely talented but she's at the top of riding a wave of recognition, its kinda the "in thing" to award her right now. Now is her craft that great? Nope, I could see a non-singing role and getting credit for that but she's not really stretching her chops here, and Bu was right AHS was an extension of her persona already no stretch there, hell some of those clothes she probably owned

So you're missing the entire point too if your take away is "I don't think she's the best because of the talent" youve missed the entire point. My point is, she's could retire from music right now, because there's basically not much else room in music success she hasn't done or achieved already. Let me break it down a bit more easier

Golden Globe win for acting on a TV series, got it

Golden Globe nomination for Acting in a movie, got it

Emmy Nomination for acting in a series, Got it

Grammys, #1's, Oscar, Golden Globe in music, Got it

Oscar for acting, Got it

WHO.ELSE? If nobody else does, she's the top of pop stars who venture into film & TV, PERIOD. For like the 12th time, it don't make her the best to have all that, it makes her a threat that nobody else is right now at having ALLLL of that

1 minute ago, bu. said:

Look it up. The most recent one is in Hollywood reporter. She didn’t win a golden globe for her acting in ASIB. I don’t do opinions, I do facts especially since out of everyone on here I’m the most neutral and balanced. Success does not = talent. You say she’s the top entertainer yet what she’s apparently top at she’s not that good at. And the wins weren’t there either except the tie  with Glen. Now music is separate since that’s actuslly a field she’s strong in and she definitely deserved the nominations and awards for Shallow (although I want justice for I’ll Never Love Again). She is most definitely not a threat to any of the actresses she was nominated against. If you’re talking pop music crossovers then even then it’s silly to say she’s the top at that when literally no one else is attempting to cross over right now. You’d have a point if there were several pop girls doing it but there aren’t therefore your comment is mute. She still isn’t the top entertainer. 

Bohemian Rhapsody suffered in its reviews because of Bryan Singer and its omission of Freddie’s homosexuality. Yet it still grossed more and won Best Picture Golden Globe unlike Ms Germanotta’s flick. 

 

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LOFL you're literally saying you don't think she's the top because she's not talented enough and that no one in music  is because they aren't talented enough,  that's all your opinion. When did I say Success=Talent? I'm saying success = the top. She's at the top of being the only female entertainer to have substancial success in TV....FILM....& MUSIC. I didn't say she got a Golden Globe for her acting in A Star Is Born....she got it for her acting in TV, THUS Im saying success in TV is on her resume. You're giving all opinion, your opinion on how talented or untalented she is YOUR opinion, the fact is....she has the hits, she's had successful tours, she has the Grammys, she has a Oscar in music, she has a Emmy nomination for her acting on TV, she has a Oscar nomination for her acting in film. WHO ELSE DOES RIGHT NOW?....................................IF NOBODY DOES....SHE ON TOP.........SHE'S THE ONE TO BEAT.....TILL SOMEONE ELSE HAS MORE......IT DON'T MAKE HER THE BEST......IT MAKES HER THE TOP AT DOMINATING THE FIELD....UNLESS.....you can name 1 person who is right now....then I'll concede.

And it suffered it too for being exactly what you criticized A Star is Born for being a basic rise to fame story, which is sad for what Queens' legacy deserved not even on the sexuality they made 1 of the most rebelious button pushing acts of all time into a PG-13 biopic...that's the main criticism, except A Star Is Born has critical acclaim

29 minutes ago, bu. said:

Yet you have Oscar voters who have come out and said she wasn’t that good and the movie was overhyped  . The music was the best thing about it. Other than that it was an unoriginal rehash of many movies before it (Glitter comes to mind) including its predecessors. AHS was just an extension of her wacky pop persona. ASIB was basically her. I’ll be convinced she’s a good actress when she does something original and completely out of depth for her. There is no pop girl that can act well imo except maybe J Lo. 

Just because Gaga can sing well and act mediocrely doesn’t make her the top entertainer. She hasn’t beaten anyone out in acting - she lost last night. She hasn’t beaten anyone out at singing - there are better singers. She can’t even tour because of her hip and has resigned herself to Vegas to make it easier for her. Nonetheless she’s had a good year. So where is the top?

She was never going to get that Oscar years ago because they seem to hate Diane Warren. I can’t remember if she was nomated for the Elton John music from Gnomeo and Julier. Like I said - she’s winning because she changed her formula. The wacky pop wasn’t working anymore so she went with the rock trump america Sound. They will always eat up that southern rock with a hint of country sound. 

There is no top entertainer imo. Ariana has been dominating the music landscape since before ASIB came out. The movies have been flip flopping between all the nominated movies. If anything Bohemian Rhapsody has stood out more (and grossed more)

Really? I'd love to see some links on that 1st part, because the thing is....we all know it takes majority votes to win, but it also takes majority votes to be nominated so I mean a few is cute & all, but I mean it doesn't speak for the whole academy, and on the Golden Globe, she won tho....Kirsten deserved it more IMO, but Gaga got it. And I think we have a mixup in communication, I'm not asking about your opinion on her talent at all, I'm asking about the success. Because thinks she deserves it or not, she's getting nominated & she's winning alot of what she's being nominated for thus she's a threat to anyone she's nominated against What I'm asking is....In terms of a pop artist who cross over, Who.Else.Is? I'm not saying she's the most talented entertainer of her generation (she's up there but she's definitely not alone), what makes her top is her winning in these fields that other pop girls aren't even a thing in. That's why & where she's the top Bu...For her to not be she has to be Jennifer Lopez and doing it all but getting VERY little in return in terms of the awards and charts. The number of awards you have in music doesn't make you the best musician to ever do it or the worst, same for film & TV & stage....it makes you the top 

Whether or not anyone's opinion is she doesn't deserve it, the fact is she is the only pop star in ages to have substantial success in music, film & TV, period=She top dog right now. The equivalent of what I'm talking about is if Ariana was winning & nominated for Golden Globes & Emmy's for TV & separately nominated for Golden Globes & an Oscar for a film too, regardless of the opinion, knab that, and Gaga has a competitor. Right now, it's just Gaga (who also won 3 Grammys to this year, where's Ariana just got her 1st after 6yrs & 4 eligible albums/eras).

Yet between Bohemian which 1 has the better reviews and was nominated for Best Picture and has been nominated for most of the best picture awards?

15 minutes ago, bu. said:

Many people have criticised the GG win. ASIB was always going to be an Oscar favourite thanks to the previous versions. There was buzz long before Gaga was even attached it. She’s having a resurgence sure but it is far too early to say she’s dominating when there’s people out performing and out succeeding her on their respective fields. 

Many people complain about & criticize every Oscar win, many people criticize the validity of the Oscars period, it doesn't mean anything unless it's for something that wasn't a critical success, she got stellar reviews for the movie period. She was having a resurgence would be her getting notice for her many realms now

Why she's top is that she's beating out people in their respective lanes, and literally no other pop star is a threat to that right now or in the last 5-10-15years. That's why she's the top entertainer right now. It would've been too early when she 1st got her Oscar nomination 2-3yrs ago, now after all she's done, she's owning.

But I ask, if she's not the top of entertainment right now, who is? By the criteria I laid out, music, TV, film who's not only being recognized, but winning awards and getting hits for all 3, just curious...

That's my point, that actually makes it sweeter that she started to fall off, and then bam opened up her career path. I semi-expected this around Born This Way, she just seemed to be above being a force just in music, and she kind of reeks of that old Hollywood, DO IT ALL mentality that I respect and that's been missing in alot of these entertainers, they set their hopes on pop & live & die by that fickleness. I knew she'd venture into acting but I don't think I would've thought in the Born This Way days that she'd be so accepted and respected in it (no matter the talent, which I think she has for it).

I'd put money that we're getting a Gaga Broadway production soon, and that she'll get at least a Tony nomination. 

11 minutes ago, bu. said:

Her acting is wooden. She was not that great in ASIB except the music which was excellent. On top of that her music is only winning because it appeals to soccer mums and Trump America. If she was doing her normal pop again she’d fade back into oblivion. 

But that's your opinion though, she didn't get a Best Actress nom for her music, and she doesn't have a Golden Globe win for her season of American Horror Story for her music, my point is no matter what anyones singular opinions are about her talent, she's dominating & winning in every field of entertainment like nobody else today is even close to (love or don't like anybody else) especially in the pop music landscape, and it's refreshing.

15 minutes ago, Rocknet said:

chile I'm convinced JLo is all smoke and mirrors, what has she really done? No tea no shade, but what is JLo great for?

She undoubtedly 1 of the best dancers of her generation, that's her skill, she can be a good actress every now & then too.

9 hours ago, bu. said:

Lol at 'top entertainer'. 

 

Has she not now dominated and earned respect in every aspect of mainstream entertainment music (excluding Broadway, but she's got more flex than anyone else in so many things, she don't have to rush for Broadway). There's nobody else that's doing it all and winning at it all (like J.Lo kinda does but she doesn't win at much of anything)

6 hours ago, hotboy06 said:

The original.  The Jimmy jam session at the end alone>>>

 

FUHUHUCK YES them instrumentals were on POINT

This is probably the 1st time in a good while everything I rooted for won something. Gaga winning tonight slays because the whole A Star Is Born era feels like she's still at the beginning, there's still so much more for her to do and slay. I have been saying it for years she's the top entertainer of today period. I'm beyond excited for what's next for her. Rami Malek is literally "A Star Is Born" I've loved him for years and to see him go from bit parts here & there for years, to a starring role in a series, to playing Freddie Fucking Mercury, it's a beautiful thing. So glad about Spike finally winning, so glad about Regina finally being nominated & winning, glad Black Panther won for stuff (I don't think it deserved the best picture nomination If Beale Street Could Talk did). I'm shocked Glen Close didn't win I knew she had it, she's been sweeping (I haven't seen the movie so I didn't have an opinion on her not winning). And Into The Spiderverse is 1 of the best-animated movies I've ever seen so that was well deserved.

I think both versions are perfect for different reasons (and both great to have sex  to). The album version serves the Jazz lover in me with that instrumental, also....the adlibs in the 2nd chorus are perfect yet aren't in the Robert Remix weirdly, also I love her lil scatting for 2 mins in the original too. The Robert version hits that smooth R&B 94 GROOVE, you could groove to that shit in the streets, in the sheets, and on the floor, it highlights her voice. In the original, her voice is seemingly competing with the instrumental for shine (a sole criticism I have for some of her biggest hits, the Jam & Lewis "wall of sound" hides her vocal best sometimes or takes away the impact). The Robert remix her voice & the instrumental complement each other. So I love both almost equally, me choosing 1 over the other is case/question sensitive.

And on the subject of seperating the art from the artist, it's a skill, I know what I know, but those songs make me feel how I feel based on my memories, emotions, & opinion on the music not the person, or even what the songs about, I don't have to KNOW the intimacy of the lyrical context to love or hate or be indifferent to a song, & thats me, & I get & respect that that's not everyone, but yea I don't subscribe to "cancel culture" I can despise your actions and your personality but enjoy your work & creativity

3 hours ago, Game For Now said:

He’s not getting paid for the docu so this would benefit him, how?  

Speaking of lawsuits, Jackson’s Estate is trying to sue HBO on some outdated contract from 1992 and the Wackos are eating it up while pretending not to see the irony in it (Wade’s frivolous lawsuit that was dropped) 

First off we only have his word that he's "not getting paid", but too it's obvious sympothy from the stupid people that don't do research, and offer him jobs and speaking engagements to get back on his feet, again it's not like he can work or something. AND it's come out they're going to keep trying to sue the estate for millions, so maybe giving a best supporting actor performance might sway a judge

3 hours ago, bu. said:

The lawsuit won’t work because the law doesn’t apply to dead people. An MJ fan account pointed that out. 

Thing is tho, I've heard about "the estate" of dead celebrities taking shit that broke contracts or slanders to court for years though, so I would think this would apply, but then again this is about a personal contract, the other times were just about slander (which maybe they'd have more luck with)

3 hours ago, bu. said:

Truth and facts are being pushed aside but it’s not by MJ stans. 

Exactly. That's the gross thing about it all it's taking advantage of the stupid who judge without facts.

11 hours ago, bu. said:

Sadly people are dumb and easily mislead by sensationalism and lack critical thinking. We living in dumb times. 

True, that's what it boils down to the ignorance of being emotionally driven instead of factually driven, it's easy to take advantage these days

4 hours ago, Game For Now said:

Substantial evidence is what you described mixed with your opinion

oh you think they need money bc he was fired. You don’t have proof of that

oh you think they need money bc their accounts in inflated... no proof

Both men have explicitly said why they’re doing this and neither said “money”

 my opinion is based on the evidence found 

Actually, that's apart of Wade's own story, that when he got fired along with battling a substance abuse it was hard for him to get another job as a choreographer and then "new memories" came into the picture of the "molestation", then he sued for millions. Though you proved your point, Wade's words are not credible so, yea he could just be lying about not being able to book other jobs too and just be greedy I guess, touche'

 Nobody that takes facts or credibility seriously takes them or their ever-changing stance & motives & stories seriously.

It's about time, and with all the new evidence (again.....can't say the same about MJ, new "memories"/imagination aren't evidence) this should be smooth.

People only know & can know what evidence shows....not opinions that can change when you get fired or your bank accounts need some inflation....like the evidence shows.

That's a possibility, but not bigger than Bruno

I'm glad you brought that back up cause that source (who spilled SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Much info between  Billboard awards & MFN) has zipped it up SILENT since around MFN, but they gave out accurate heads ups on her every move (yet without giving details), and it's still really shocking to me she took a new song out of the Billboard tribute that was the duet with the star, and it wasn't MFN, I'm like WHAT.IS.THIS.SONG?!?!! WHO IS THIS FEATURE?!?!?!