jarrylf

On 3/1/2018 at 6:00 PM, Utopia said:

The album would have to be packed with FB and RWU to be ahead of it's time. 

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True, I'd actually argue this album got it right in terms of most of the dance numbers, the only slow jam it got right was Can't Be Good, but the majority of the dance tracks were on point and memorable

Yea no, it fit the time it was released in perfectly and is perfectly comparable to her peers and lessors that released. But the article lost me at it being "deep"... ... anyway I even though its her bottom of the barrel I like that their respecting the Queen

12 hours ago, vibeology said:

Broken Hearts Heal

Yea dont mistake my votes, I actually use this album as a whole more than any in the 2000's, but this is songs I play the least or am more likely to skip

On 2/19/2018 at 7:30 PM, State of the Game said:

America deserves this

Yea.......that.............girl..........The way I laughed my ass off when I 1st saw that, it's a SHARP 2nd place to the funniest bad National Anthem EVER (which will/should always be held by Carl Lewis), I mean how bad & off she sounded is funny alone, BUT the way she  was feelin herself through every flat note & failed attempt...that's the icing, that's what makes it great comedy forever....just like Carl

I don't get how yall are letting Broken Hearts Heal get so far...that should've been the 1st to go...but whatev, to keep it moving...

Dream Maker

......bitches

13 hours ago, vibeology said:

After You Fall

......I change mine to Dream Maker

Broken Hearts Heal

That song should've gotten the Promise of you treatment & Promise of you should've been a full album track 

This is why its great not to expect this kind of thing from her, makes it wayyy better & surprising 

The point is dropping the ball artistically had NOTHING to do with her treatment, not even a little.

5 hours ago, State of the Game said:

He has and had zero power. You keep bringing that up but that has NOTHING to do with Janet being blacklisted on radio and by Viacom. I get he put the blame on her. Perfect PR. Probably why Janet hired the same PR company that JT is apart of 

Mix reviews? That’s cute (Metacritic): 

Damita Jo: 53

20YO: 52

Discipline: 61 

Flop in the Woods: 55 

She put out shit so it got the attention it deserved. None of the singles from 2004-2010 were stellar (including Make Me but it’s definitely an improvement)

Ask P!nk about being ignored by Pop radio.. That’s the way life goes in the pop world.

As far as those legendary women go... LITERALLY NONE of them has had a hit in the new millennium.. the radio scene has change dramatically in the 2000s so you cannot compare those Legends from the 1900s to Janet Jackson and any pop act of today. 

Britney Spears was blacklisted from pop radio too for a while.. not comparing but her albums didn’t suffer... if the music was solid then Janet didn’t need radio 

Every A lister has power, its common sense, he joined in on the ruin Janet bandwagon, and it was powerful enough to completely take the heat off him, if he had No power him coming out against her wouldn't have benefitted him at all, he would've gotten the same or similar treatment to her.

Again, mixed reviews don't matter, if radio aint fuckin with you, they aint fuckin with you no matter what critics or audiences say, nothing she released supported that treatment, her 1st 2 albums got radio play & promo & had worse reception than 2004-08 projects. 

P!nk wasn't blacklisted, and none of the women I named were blacklisted either, point is they got to fade out, not get SHUT out. Britney is the Queen of Mixed reviews, her best albums fall in line with Janets 04-08 and all got mixed reception at best, her sales did what they did because she had major endorsement promo everywhere, along with the videos  & tours, radio played a small part for her because she had EVERYTHING else that most pop artists didn't/don't.  Janet putting out her best work wouldnt "help"anything or anyone but us, the GP thought 20 was a greatest hit compilation mostly, the music didnt get played so it couldnt get requested, no matter what she released as long as it followed that Superbowl it wouldve been blocked. The only way great metacritic reviews would help is if good reviews promised good sales & good chart positions. Thats demanding in her case the gp buy albums based soley off the reviews, since they cant hear or request the new music, and thats not how casual fans of pop artists role. If that were the case Prince would have WAY more successful albums & hits than he does. But hes a perfect example that thats not how the business works.

4 hours ago, State of the Game said:

He doesn’t have to power to push her down completely and the only reason we had a JJappDay was because of JT. No he never apologize... probably never will. It’s not his fault Viacom went for Janet and not him

She was blocked from radio but there’s other venues she went down and critics agreed, the music was shit ??‍♂️

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He has/had the power of getting attention, he called ET to shit on her they came with toilet paper. The day was taking a shot at The Superbowl AND everything about it which includes him. And he put all the blame on her.....that puts him at fault, not all his fault but he's got fault on his hands, period

Mixed reviews don't equal shit, saying she didn't get promo because "the music was shit" excuses & ignores the fact that no matter WHAT she put out it wasn't getting played period. And the other venues she went down got her hits on those venues (R&B hits & dance hits).

2 hours ago, Voodoo Child said:

Don't y'all get tired of these conversations...my goodness. 

MTV was trash, Justin was trash, Viacom was trash, Her music was mediocre, Her videos were blah, honestly if she had a better team...better management and a different muse (JD offered no kind of inspiration)...things might have turned out differently.

Good music or not...when the machine is against you things don't fair out well. Seems like Discipline was her getting back on track and egos subsided a little and she was given a chance to reclaim her status but by then you had people doing their best version of Janet and her still being mediocre. So Game is right to a certain extent.

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I agree with it all but the highlighted is what matters, nobody blames just 1, all the trash gets it from the fans as they should, Justin's easier because he's 1 trash individual. Like her being "mediocre" (music wise cause she was still murdering any stage that let her), you said it in the opening of that paragraph they banned HER not the new music hell they stopped playing the old music

21 minutes ago, State of the Game said:

Discipline was her getting back on track? The album where she didn’t write or produce was the album that got Janet “back on track”. Unbreakable got Janet back on track when she decided to stop trying to recreate the past (20 & Discipline) and focused on the here and now... where she stopped working with random ass producers who haven’t a clue on how to produce a Janet track (Damita Jo)

Viacom was against her but, again, Janet was everywhere else aside from radio which, in 2004-2008, was a big deal but pop radio would have ignored her anyhow bc she turned Forty (ask any 40 year old pop icon aside from Grandma Donna) 

Discipline is the era MTV decided to make atone and let her come back, there's NO way that didn't Feedback break the top 20

Yea no, they slow down diva's in their 40's pop radio & video play but they don't do a full on stop like that, she doesn't compare to most pop megastars after 40 because she didn't fade out, she was shut out (also Aretha Franklin, Diana Ross, TIna Turner, Cher, Carly Simon, Barbra Streisand, & Gladys all had top 20 hits video plays & promo in their 40s as well with Madonna, it doesn't happen to every pop or R&B girl but it happens to the ones like Janet, and all of them got hits off mediocre work compared to their prime)

5 hours ago, State of the Game said:

MTV wasn’t even a music channel at that point. They switched to reality tv during one of those eras

You know why “they didnt play her”? Because of Viacom. Which brings me back to my original point: The people bitched and complained about JT yet zero blame is placed on the mega media company. 

JT May have “pushed her down” but he didn’t KEEP her down (obviously). Viacom did... period. That’s a fact. 

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........That's REALLY the excuse you want to use?.....1....out of 3......and still, they stopped playing music videos in 2011, get that weak excuse out of here

Really? That's new, I've never "people" ONLY blame him and not him along with all of the responsible, Viacom wasn't performing the Superbowl, he was. He got what he deserved

He publically pushed her down and publically never took a opportunity to  atone for that thus he's content with her still being down, THATS a fact as clear as day too.

3 hours ago, Illi said:

It's not even the decline but rather she also disappeared from oldies stations and stopped being labled as a major industry figure. She was relegated to being a celebrity with a music career.  It became controversial to say she made an impact. She wasn't even seen as an 80s staple.

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Exactly, like someone can crap on the music all they want, point is NOTHING she released validates that treatment. She was blocked PERIOD, she was blocked and banned before she released ANYTHING, hell nobody was listening to the songs and saying ".....no, I don't think it'll resonate, don't play it"

20 minutes ago, State of the Game said:

It didn’t help I could see if her albums were... on par with her previous but all three fall to the bottom next to Janet Jackson [album] 

So we gonna pretend she wasn’t everywhere aside from Radio? MTV, magazines, talk shows, SNL, Will & Grace, BET, three movies, photo shoots, MySpace, books.

 Janet did more promo then than she’s ever done in her entire career

His hand was minimal compared to CBS/Viacom who is the media giant who blacklisted her instead of him. JT is pawn, Viacom owns the board 

 

And compared to the popular releases of their years they fair next to "OK" like Britney Spears's catalog, 

........................MTV? MTV banned her until 2008, for 2 eras MTV didn't act like she existed, nobody's "pretending" she wasn't out there doing more promo than she's ever done, it just didn't matter because pop radio wasn't playing her, as someone who called stations for those 3 eras to request, and ONLY on R&B radio stations did they take the request, everywhere else said "WE DONT PLAY HER"....not they don't play I want you or Call On Me or Feedback but HER. Her appearing places didn't change that, her appearing places made it do the numbers the projects she released did, the GP saw her but they did not hear her newest songs on the radio the way they always had.

His hand was still a hand that pushed her down and in the scheme of things with all the hands HE is the easiest to push down.

8 hours ago, Illi said:

Offended, disappointed, still, I find it disingenuous to need for her to say something to validate the campaign. 

Same, like do we do public happy birthdays to her or ANY of our faves for the sole purpose of them "thank you", or is it US showing appreciation? She's not that girl when it comes to social media, and never has been, she says her thanks her own way on her own terms. And that's why I don't get offended by not getting told thanks because that's how some people are, expecting everyone to be like you and raised like you and to feel how you feel is doing way too much than required.

2 hours ago, State of the Game said:

Based on that... Janet didn’t create Damita Jo, 20YO, and Discipline? bc if you want to pinpoint her career suffering, those three albums didn’t help at all

Speaking of factors... funny how these “youths” ignore MTV & CBS/Viacom... the two BIGGEST FACTORS behind Janet “suffered” career and focused their energy SOLELY on Justin Timberlake’s moment.. all bc Viacom decided not to blacklist him (and he decided to release sold music) 

Lets quit pretending it was SOLELY because of Justin

The quality of music that she released had NOTHING to do with her backlash, so no that had NOTHING to do with her career, as much as it didn't help it didn't hurt it either because no matter what she released if it's not getting backed it's not getting successful and "mixed" received albums get hits all the time in the industry, these albums weren't bad enough to excuse the treatment they got, being HER worst don't make them THE worst. 

Nobody says that it was soley him, but he had a hand in it, and he's benefited from it so yea he's gonna keep getting what he deserves cause his hands are dirty, he's not the biggest factor but he's a factor and the ONLY factor that is a "entertainer".

3 hours ago, Eleven said:

I did it. I deserve the praise!  

You likey? I followed your suggestion to use a tour photo. You were the only person who responded to my thread.  

Thanks Angie for putting it up.  

You betta show out Roc Roc!!!

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Not saying thank you isn't rude to me (especially for anything unsolicited)

Demanding a disingenuous thank you for the sake of your feelings (ego) is rude, petty, selfish & immature to me, which is why nobody will catch me doing it seriously on any subject. I mock people that do....but that's neither here nor there. You're all welcome for this explination by the way, you didn't ask for it, but aye some needed it so I took the time. 

Better than Britney today but not Britney-pre breakdown. 

They both have the look on the face when they dance that says "Im trying". Lol Janet & Michael are known for makin hard shit look easier than it is, Justin & Britney both make simple 2 steps look hard as fuck

21 minutes ago, State of the Game said:

It wasn’t THAT bad... stop  

Whenever he tried to go intricate as a dancer he always ends up lookin like he checkin if he dropped some change/weed out his pockets, I SWEAR  whenever I see him dance....I wish I could animate that LOL  

6 minutes ago, Mr. Wonder said:

 

 

 

Is there any particular reason why you three thanked those who voted for you at the last forum awards?

Do tell. 

Oh so glad you asked. It's because it's what I do, however in how I was raised to say thank you for everything, I was also raised not to fault people or take anything away from people who don't say the words, that some people are more about the actions than saying the words, and that in life you have to expect to do the right thing WITHOUT getting thanked at all, that's just what it is as a person of color, you do the right thing period, and a thank you is a courtesy, not an order  

Anything Else?

1 hour ago, Dal said:

I’ve noticed... that dance break after Cry Me A River was pretty cringeworthy to watch.. and weirdly his dancers were killing it but JT just looked like someone’s middle aged dad just trying to keep up..

.....................................................That's how he always looked in comparison to his backup dancers....like

4 hours ago, State of the Game said:

Like Jarrylf, Bailey, & Others are said, if you do a nice gesture for someone, and expect, want, and live off the “thank you” then you’re doing it for the wrong reason. 

Janet isn’t “rude” for not responding over something she didn’t ask for

 

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True, this is nothing like holding a door open, this is more like a Jehovah's Witness saying they don't celebrate birthdays, so their office throwing a surprise party with surprise guests......and then being mad the person doesn't "seem" appreciative or thankful the way anyone else would.

....when the hell was Mariah or Madonna Appreciation day?