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honestly I cringe whenever I think about those 30th anniversary shows.. The entire event had so much promise but unfortuantely Mike was high as a kite both shows, and then the day after the 2nd/final show Sept 11th happened.. The best thing that came out of those concerts was the fact that the Jacksons got to perform together one final time, and they all looked and sounded amazing (including Mike...no lip-syncing wih his bros!).. but the disorganization and, frankly, the odd tribute line-up should've been better handled.. It could've turned out so much better.. AND STILL...its received the HIGHEST ratings for a concert special on any network television station in HIStory, to date!! Pretty impressive..

Ohh you no can read..? Did they not learn you reading out there in Nohio..?? I brought up the 80's cuz you said he needed Janet only after 1993, when in the REAL WORLD (where facts exist) he actually offered her to be on his own label around the time she made RN, and she turned him down.. He wanted to work with her for a while.. It was after the success of her "janet." album did she agree to collaborate with him.. Obviously, as his little sister, she'd want to support her brother through a rough patch...but in no way did MJ need Janet to successfully go on.. You can't even prove the bullshit that was being regurgitated again from your unintelligent mind! Your bitter hatred for someone you will never know is truly appalling.. It must suck for you that you've committed part of your life to "stan" for someone who has continually shown nothing but love and support for that very person.. I'm glad she cancelled your tour stop.. You don't deserve to be in her presence..

she def did sound great on the track....but she is really bad at lip-syncing ?

Fuuuuuk the ENTIRE thing leaked..?! That sucks for The Voice! ?I might be in the minority with my opinion.....but I thought it was pretty dope actually!! I think this worked better than MJ's hologram! Like someone said, I too don't think her face was right on point at certain times, but if you're there in the audience, from 30-40ft away these things can get pretty convincing.. Easier to create a Whitney and 2Pac hologram than it is to make MJ tho.. Mike had his own moves, not just dance moves but all movements and little idiosyncrasies were unique to him and him only..

Where was it said that he "begged" her..?? Where's the proof (other than your little uneducated mind)?? ...and who in the fuck said the allegations didn't hurt his image?? It doesn't take a brainiac for that to be anymore evident, and you're living proof!! but Mike didn't need Janet for anything... That's what you willfully fail to comprehend time and time again! (thinking is tough, huh buddy? ?) And he didn't go to her just because his image was hurt.. He wanted to work with his closest family member since RN came out.. He offered her to be part of his own record label in the late 80's, well before any sign of trouble hit him.. Do you think he needed her help in the late 80's too?! Right after he broke records with the Bad album..? Hate on Mike til the day you die all you want...but do it correctly, like with...oh ya know, FACTS!! Those are the things that aren't made up in that thing u call a "brain"..

Thank you!!! ???????? He never needed Janet to prove anything or make a comeback or anything like that.. He clearly loved her like crazy and had been inviting Janet to come to his level since he had heard the RN album (well before any type of allegations occurred).. And he loved RN and it was always something that he gave her props for (The Knowlesge was widely known to be his fav song of hers).. It wasn't until after Janet had the success she had in 93 that she decided to collaborate with him.. She felt she needed to get to that level of success on her own (that's straight from her own lips).. Now, I have no doubt that Janet felt protective of her big bro (and closest sibling) after the crap he went through, so imo that could've only motivated her even more to want to help him speak his mind.. But make no mistake, Mike did not NEED Janet for HIStory to be a success, even after those allegations.. Sure, "Scream" debuted at #5 on the BB Hot 100 setting a new record for song chart debuts, but just a few weeks later HE BROKE THAT SAME RECORD BY HIMSELF!! Hahahaha! "You Are Not Alone" debuted at #1, the first time any song had ever done so (was Janet on that track..?? Sorry but no).. Then a few weeks later Mike had the biggest single of his career in the UK with "Earth Song".. Then the HIStory Tour went around the world and broke even more records.. so for anyone who says Mike "needed" Janet or "begged" her to allow him to use her producers is just plain batshit nuts.. It's not even like he used JJ/TL for the whole album..... LITERALLY ONLY 4 SONGS OUT OF 15 ON THE ALBUM! Less than 1/3 of the tracks he used JJ/TL productions, and only one of those songs received a video and proper single treatment.. so all ya'll can stfu about Mike using Janet or her producers/writers.. Go to hell with that mess of an argument.. It's really as dumb as it gets.. i could sit here all day and list the differences between Mike and Janet and what's better about one or the other...but that's ridiculous.. Like some of ya'll in here..

aww did I hurt yur feewings?? careful ya don't get carpal tunnel scanning all them milk jugs fam!! beep...beep....beep...beep ....go ahead and take your 10 min break Norman..

Uh oh! Quick open another checkout lane... The line is getting backed up! ?

DJ

I'm right behind ya on the way out.. Besides there was plenty of on-topic discussion that took place regardless.. It's always the loudest, most ignorant (and frankly, dumbest) ones who garner more attention than deserved... The "Donald Trumps" of this board, if you will! ✌?️

you're "sure"?? Lol #next

oh well I guess if u wanna use that logic than zero of the songs on Discipline can be considered Janet's...none of them #hisalbumhissong

wtf ? re-read my response bruh! did I ever say I thought jimmy was lying?? I know he said that.. I read/saw the same interview where he stated it.. I have zero doubt Mike lowered her vocals.. You can especially tell in the new Immortal Mix they did of Scream where Janet's vocals are loud and clear, especially on the hook... It was HIS song on HIS album.. He could do whatever tf he wanted with it.. MJ > all ya'll dramatic queens

oh come on joe.. You just made their entire adult working relationship so reductive.. You might as well reduce it even further and just say they're Bart and Lisa or something.. They were grown ass adults and u think the reason they never worked together again was because Mike turned Janet's vocals down?? Gimme a break son! You too much.. did everyone forget that years before Mike died, Janet did a BET music video countdown and she placed Scream as her #1 video of all-time?! And it wasn't just her videos or Mike's videos...she could've chosen any music video ever made (provided it was a predominantly black video) and she chose Scream.. ya'll are reaching for the stars on this shit..

you really trynna school me on the difference between target and Walmart?? Who tf cares homie?! They both have shitty employees! Ahahahahahahahahahahahahha!!! I. Cant. Even. At the end of the day, the only one who's truly butt hurt about anything in this thread is u since u couldn't even keep your ignorant mouth closed at the start of this thread trying to say it shouldn't even exist.. Well you TRIED!! But far more sane-minded folks around here thankfully do NOT share your willful ignorance..

norman don't stop!! Keep going bud! You are hilarious with whatever you call logic!! I need more laughs!! oh wait...I hear someone over the loudspeaker saying there's a cleanup in aisle 10 Mr. Target... Get the mop bucket and get back to work!!

?????????? to all of this!

thanks! Ugh...lol and yea i can only imagine their harmonies together on runaway..

you lost respect for Mike because he hid his children's faces..?? ay yi yi.. You got another hard pill to swallow, cuz guess what..? Janet ain't gonna be showing her kid off either! Lmao get ready to lose respect for her too I guess! Oy vey ? Sure, Mike's methods were unorthodox to say the least, but 100% understandable if you took 30 seconds to imagine yourself in his shoes.. and obviously Mike was foolish for having any type of close public relationship with kids who weren't his own after the 90's, but again, when placed in his shoes, it's not so odd.. But your obvious ignorance to the topic leaves you unable to establish an opinion not based on tabloid discussion.. You don't like the man because he was a human being with flaws, who made mistakes.. I hope you don't have any skeletons in your closet bruh.. and again, you feel so safe to openly ridicule him on here yet you would surely suck his dead decayed dick before u ever said any of that shit to Janet's face.. What a POS u are.. #donewiththisconvo

Rihanna, pink and Britney couldn't sell out stadiums to save heir lives (maaaaybe Rih on a hot streak, but even that would be pushing it).. Taylor will go down as a pop legend (ugh it makes my stomach hurt to say that...) and Adele sold 3mil albums in 1 week = automatic legend.. What helps make Adele and Taylor current/future legends you ask..? How about the fact that they write most/all of their own shit? ? This convo is pointless in this type of thread tho.. Only reason why Bey and J were mentioned was because of their extremely successful/legendary joint tour.. #next

MJ was without a doubt a drug addict.. It was painfully obvious numerous times.. He was a lot of things, mainly human.. Ultimately, though, all signs point to him being a genuinely good-hearted but troubled man.. To live the things that he lived through, I'd honestly be shocked and dismayed if he didn't do something to help numb the constant pain he was forced to endure (albeit by his own doing or otherwise).. ...his "truths".. you mean the ones that you create that you like...? (you're still gonna do that bruh?) nobody who is a true logical fan of his ever claims he to be "squeaky clean".. But you like to think that, just so you can bolster your own unfactual opinions about the man that you would NEVER say to Janet's face...like ever! You say if Janet did what he did, then you wouldn't be a fan of hers... Fkn great! But what did Mike do thooo?? ? You can't even answer that, can you..? And dude face reality.. Beyonce is a modern legend, plain and simple.. It may be a hard, jagged little pill for you to swallow (and I don't like it much either), but don't run from facts yet again Norm.. ? Her first 6 albums all debuted at #1.. She's selling out stadium after stadium after even more stadiums.. Something even our Janet has unfortunately never done in her career.. but go ahead and continue tearing one artist down to lift another up.. #dontbebutthurtcuzyouropinionsareinvalidatedbyme #dontenterthisthreadanymore #iknowyouwillanyway #tryandsoundsmartsomemore #nowyouprollylikefuuuk

the shaaaade you have for Mike is comical to me.. You would never say that to Janet's face, Norman.. You love to say that Janet is > than anyone or their thoughts... Uhhh no shit bruh! We on a Janet forum homie! Might as well argue that water is wet while u at.. You don't sound smart ? #eek and there you go, once again, creating the truth you like... There is literally not a single sliver of any credible evidence that suggests anything you said about Mike in your entire post (literally).. You're what's called is a class-A "hater".. There's no need to attempt to tear down one one to raise the other.. And who cares who paved what first?! That's all ego dude! Beyonce and Jay-Z were established "legends" well before they chose to go on a very successful joint tour together.. #opinioninvalidated

thanks for the reply.. care to explain why you don't wish that it ever happened..?? I mean your opinion is clearly outnumbered in here among other die-hard Janet fans.. and you're the dude who created the "LET'S GUESS THE DATE YOU GUYS" thread so why the hell cant this one exist??

AGREED!!!