Illi

I thought was the only person who thought it wasn't good at all.

4 hours ago, JoeJoe said:

no it didn't  

Once you can find the magic potion to get veterans (especially Janet) to stream better, I'll concede my opinion.

Made for Now did more than fine all things considered. It's a bit dishonest to think it was gonna be this big worldwide smash. I think if trends begin to embrace more adult, middle of the road tastes (outside of Adele), perhaps Janet might have a chance. It was a step in the right direction and I do wish she did made a project out of it.

While some of you are at it, has any asked to re-certify Janet's albums?

15 minutes ago, Kalfou said:

I think y'all are missing the biggest factor when it comes to Janet and production....our good sis is cheap. Have y'all seen the Unbreakable promo photos?!...chile. There is also a reason why she wears the same black jump suit and sweats, she brought them in bulk at the local Pick N' Save. Even when Janet had the budget, she stilled scaled back her tours...All For You tour pales in comparison to the Velvet Rope tour, ijs

Another thing is that Janet is very old school...she doesn't seem all that interested in technology, sis just started taking social media seriously 2 years ago  As time progresses and the budget is there and she gets older and thicker...we are going to see alot more pizzazz in her shows because Damita Jo won't be doing all of that moving on stage. There is a recent clip of her performing 'You' at her show and I swear Janet wanted to give up after that first dip and it looks like she is thinking 'What in the fuck am I doing,dis tew much and aunties parched' ...that choreography is alot tho, sick as fuck but I don't think I could do that every night and be 53 years of age...oh no ma'am.

As far as y'all comparing her to Madonna, 'its, it's dance music I'll say that ....kinda similar...but I think...how do I put this'...I think what Janet does on your is more authentic to her as an artist...I'll say that. 

Eh, people need to understand that though certain things are important, they are not everything. I don't think it's fair the come critics kill Janet for not having the overly ambitious productions Madonna and Kylie have. Sure they are perhaps great  artistic marvels, but I personally don't care to see those shows. I care more for Janet's ability to pull of very artful and intricate choreography. Of course good wardrobe and production give the performance a good kick, but I don't need to to dominate the performance. At the same time, people don't want to see all that choreography, but rather strong stage presence that embeds itself to strong productions. Of course, if the performer isn't doing that much his/herself, people are gonna have something to say.

9 hours ago, Lutfa said:

I would agree with you but Janet's career has not been the same after 2004. She made several efforts to get back on the charts globally but it just never happened. There is no budget for big shows and visuals. Rock Witchu Tour proved that she couldn't break even with a big production show. Then all that stuff with Wissam, having a baby etc.. Her mind isn't exactly at breaking records right now. She's still changing things up on tour, performing songs we never thought she would. Her wardrobe has been very wtf since the new tour started but that's just what it is. Made for Now was a step in the right direction, meaning she finally stopped catering for a handful of old skool fans and went with current sounding music instead. Ask Cinq and their amateur team why it never took off. And yeah her age plays a huge role in this as well. She can't hit those high notes anymore (she said this herself in an interview), and she obviously cannot dance like 20 years ago. 

We can all agree we were left thirsty for huge success and global tour after her career took a fall. But it's time to move on now. It's not gonna happen. Back in 2009 it could've been possible but she left and disappeared and that alone alienated European fan base. Her team has been working overtime to try to remind people of who Janet Jackson is. And they've had success doing so. But how many times are you gonna rely on Control and Rhythm Nation? In 1998 Together Again was the second biggest single in the world. Nowadays casual music listeners don't even remember that track and radio hasn't played it for a decade. And that was her most successful single to date.

It's time to move on from the illusion of her somehow going back in time to 2010 and reclaiming her throne. It just isn't going to happen. I love every single show, and song she puts out. I appreciate and will always cherish each Era. But those times are long gone. Comparing her to Madonna, who still has global appeal and success while on tour is silly. Janet does not have the same appeal anymore. Half of music listeners don't even remember her. Everyone knows who Madonna is and her team has kept her legacy alive and going. Janet's team is only now trying to remind people of who she is. 

IMHO the only thing I'd change is the short edits of AFY and Together Again. Especially, when performing at award shows. One or the other should be performed fully, and that would def have a bigger impact than doing a 30sec recap of both. 

I don't dislike Madonna at all, I just dislike that how she is often used to discredit Janet among the fan community. I think Janet definitely should have take more control of her career (especially in the last few years), but people want to pretend that there weren't powerful figures that weren't integral to the status quo. It's also dishonest to say Janet had the options Madonna had back then too. Let's just enjoy Janet being here. 

6 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

Nah. It was juss basic..and the dry audience didnt help. Thats when she tried to copy & paste parts from the Rwu tour and condense it for a quick medley for an award show performance and it juss didnt translate well at all. She should have came up with all new choreo for that medley performance. 

I didn't think the outfit was that bad, even for 2009 standards. She's done worse. It wasn't that Janet wasn't putting effort into the performance, it was lifeless where her head a clearly somewhere else.

Janet's damned if she does and damned if she doesn't. I'm just gonna go out my way and enjoy Janet being here as much as possible.

11 hours ago, bu. said:

So can we all finally agree Damita Jo was a good album without having our opinion come for?

Eh, the album is better than the initial reaction, but there was nothing really memorable about it.

1 hour ago, Rock & Roll Hall of Game said:

  Whatever you guys. Facts vs your fantasies 

Huh, none of what we are discussing (pertaining to the quality of the album) are facts.

27 minutes ago, Rock & Roll Hall of Game said:

Out of all the songs, you pick the worst* one

Nope. Most of the other songs seem like it would do OK on Urban A/C, but Sexhibition is the only song the seems to have a great tempo, strong(ish) vocals, and catchy chorus. 

Honestly the only song I really saw it for was Sexhibition, but the song is very short so I would have needed a rap feature or two.

9 hours ago, Lutfa said:

Again, Janet was doing really well outside the US and nobody cared about her boob but Americans. JALW received more airplay than AFY. You could not miss it. Every station played once an hour, at least. Once it was deemed a flop in the states the bandwagon effect happened and radio didn't play much of the other singles, tho All Nite was a minor dance hit in Europe as well. The media might've had a field day on her situation but she was making a shitload of money at that point. 

As Janet herself said, it was the music. Jimmy said he thinks she should've not been making new music when she had nothing new going on in her life. Members here calling naysayers delusional are calling Janet delusional.... I personally like a few songs on the album, but my own opinion has nothing to do with this. DJ did much better than expected, especially overseas. 20 YO is when it truly was the music to blame. 

But you'd think it would have yielded a stronger chart position *shrugs*

Though the singles performed a little better abroad, it just didn't do enough to warrant Janet perhaps investing more into those market. Despite the backlash, the US was still DJ's most successful market.

No. She would have gone double platinum at best and that's a big maybe. Even though I think people exaggerated her age (J. Lo never gets crap about that), they were starting to see her as kind of over-the-hill.

24 minutes ago, JoeJoe said:

It was certified at 4 million but it actually only over 2 million in sales and yes it was considered a flop. A huge artist like Whitney selling only 2 million in the US in the 90s. Yup. Velvet Rope sold more than that

Perhaps I didn't have access to all of the music magazines back then but it had a slow start at the worst. It didn't stop her from nabbing a big contract with Arista.

MLIYL could be considered a flop in the sense that it failed to reach the top 10, something surprising for someone of Whitney's stature. As one of her more soulful album, it did punch above the belt internationally.

2 hours ago, Rock & Roll Hall of Game said:

It fell apart bc they wanted to release a mediocre song and Janet didn’t 

I think it was before that but agree to disagree

2 hours ago, Rock & Roll Hall of Game said:

The song (not the sound) isn’t that good.. it was repetitive and lazy

I agree, but if her and the label's relationship didn't fall apart, I think it could have been revisited.

"Before it's time" means that though it didn't seem like an ideal single (I don't think either the base or the label had a lot of faith in it), that sound wound up everywhere a year later.

I try to stay out of here becaus I know how this base is addicted to cynicism, but it is like Blackgama where she naively put herself into very controversial issue where she could strongly alienate some fans. I won't defend it, but I'm not gonna consume my mental energy arguing about it.

Plus, does the GP really care?

43 minutes ago, vibeology said:

I cant speak for the fans, only myself.

That's ok. That question was generally directed at people mad about the set list.

1 hour ago, vibeology said:

my problem was the setlist for the crowd mainly, which made it feel disjointed. But on reflection I recognise she had a 50 min slot to fill in the UK at a major festival...it was never gonna be a perfect setlist. Though I hoped, I knew something other than a Metamorphosis rehash was unlikely, so what was she to do?!

So the fans wanted a completely different custom made show?

5 hours ago, JoeJoe said:

first off when have I ever told anybody how to feel? I personally could g.a.f. about how y'all feel but what y'all won't do is tell me how to feel about a performance I saw with my own eyes. Secondly when tf have I ever bitched about not being able to express how I feel when i've always expressed how I feel with no fucks given, just like i've done in this thread, and how i've done since i've been apart of any Janet message board? I'ma need you to take that lie and shove it back up your ass cause I assume that's where you got it from. I gave in that same exact sentiment how Janet did great in vegas, the SOTW tour, and the jazz festival but you didn't wanna hear that. You picked what you wanted to listen to so idgaf. My conversation with you is done boo  

You stated some of us were in denial but but be great.

4 minutes ago, Jakob said:

Soooo... apparently this lightning-designer was mis-quoted. Still, I am pretty sure we'll get a (Metamorphosis?) World Tour in 2020 when JJ12 is out.

I'd rather Janet wait for the show to get some more traction. I think if the show can be a high attraction from abroad, a world tour is imminent.

43 minutes ago, JoeJoe said:

the whole set is on youtube and there's pics of the crowd. I don't see how people are still in denial about this  It's also crazy cause right after Glastonbury Janet did a way better show for the Jazz Festival. I was like wtf lol

No. You're trying to tell people how to feel. Some fans honestly didn't have a big problem with the performance.

You constantly bitch about not being able to express certain opinions but when you do, it's constantly incendiary, overly emotional, and often quick to undermine anything positive.