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It shows that people don't really care about the truth but rather to grind their ax if possible.

2 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

So no one finds it strange that Michael never had a girlfriend until 1994? 

Did he date Stephanie Mills in the 70s?

My question for @Dal is were they able to sufficiently corroborate their claims or were they able to evoke emotion to cause you to believe them?

The album version was really long-winded and lethargic. 

The R. Kelly remix gave the song a more fitting tempo therefore making it more radio friendly.

I just finished watching last night's 'This Is Us' and there was a Janet poster (a larger version a the janet. cover) on young Beth's wall in the background.

6 hours ago, Mr. Wonder said:

It doesn't warrant a discussion. That plaque can be 9x platinum in Serbia. You don't know, and neither does JoeJoe's black ass.

You dont either nor are the gatekeeper for what can be discussed.

4 minutes ago, Mr. Wonder said:

Yes, it is. We have a credible source, a press release from Janet's team, that says 7 million. Why argue with the credible source? 

AFY sold 7 million per Janet's team. And that's final. 

I'm not, but that doesn't mean what he posted doesn't warrant discussion.

Agree to disagree.

4 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

Right!!! If his cosmetic surgeries, weird man-child behaviors, and illicit drug use that eventually killed him didn’t tarnish his legacy... sexually abusing children won’t either. His legacy is untarnishable

Yet it’s the Wackos going bananas over this documentary

 

What I meant was that would nail his coffin in terms of his legacy. Absolutely no one in their right mind think he didn't have any issues, even is craziest fans.

The axe grinders are really hoping that this turns fans against him.

8 minutes ago, Mr. Wonder said:

It's fabricating, and it's annoying. There's no need to inflate sales. 

It's 7 million. Janet's team confirmed it. Leave it at that. 

You're pontificating here. I agree with the 7 million, but the 9 million wasn't exactly pulled out of his ass. So I dont get the annoying part.

Honestly, if anyone is banking on the documentary tarnishing MJ's legacy, forget it.

Of course the MJ haters are gonna toot this until the cows come home, but the credibility issues will bring much meaning to it.

2 hours ago, Mr. Wonder said:

It's 7 million until Janet's team/label says otherwise. There's no need to fabricate or inflate. 

 

But nobody was fabricating here. Joe Joe simply found some to bite on. If you don't find it credible, fair enough.

37 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

 It doesn’t matter if they were in love or “messing around for perks”... MJ still molested these men when they were boys. They were still buddy-buddy during the trial and the victim didn’t see MJ in that light. Again, that’s the relationship/power MJ had on him. 

Shit happens dude. Timing to bring up sexual abuse happens after the abuser is dead.. it’s not rare for that to occur. It would be more bizarre if he just lashed out during trial when the defense called him to testify

I don't actually believe that statement unless you can say Michael opened some doors after the trial. It was only a hypothetical case that would make your argument credible. And like I've stated before, he could only have so much control if he had the ripest opportunity to pull the trigger.

Yeah, shit happens. His career fell off and he (Wade) needs a scapegaot

1 hour ago, Game For Now said:

The whole point in bringing up the trial/perjury is because the one that testified lied under oath to protect his buddy (MJ). He lied to protect him..

The one that is a lie is the one he said under oath 

He lied to protect him as any of his wackos would. Imagine being so close with your abuser that you’d lie under oath... it has happened.. it happens daily with domestic abusers “it was my fault” mentality. It happened here. MJ definitely intimidated the witness

Too many times, society tries to silence victims of abuse... believing the abuser bc of money, power, status in his career.. that is this case. You rather believe the weirdo with a literal amusement park and “traveling companions” than the victims. 

No other victim is going to come forward bc they are not believe IMMEDIATELY

The only way this holds waters is if they were consciously messing around for perks. If anything the trial was the perfect time to nail him. The public and media would have believed him then.

Him only saying something when Mike isn't around to defend himself will always be seen as disingenuous.

Pitbull is trash on general but I dont really see why radio wouldn't have eaten heartbeat love up. *shrugs*

I honestly dont see the hype with Caution. You could argue the the production was better than Unbreakable, but the weakness in songwriting offset that. Portrait was the only song the I really liked.

7 hours ago, JoeJoe said:

I hope his estate sues the fuck out of them and I hope Janet helps spearhead the campaign!

Nah, I think Janet should try to stay out of it. The estate seems to have enough power to handle things on its own.

22 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

Five inches taller 

Yet here we are... beating a dead horse 

This the first time giving my full opinion on the matter. The other comment I simply agreed.

1 hour ago, Game For Now said:

That model ain’t tall  

Y’all are too quick judge and literally cannot be pleased.

Janet would have killed this look but she decided to wear that wig.

Janet wears what she wants too.. take that for what it’s worth  

She's taller than Janet.

But if I dont care for it, I dont care for it.

I just don't feel the need to beat a dead horse.

3 hours ago, Rocknet said:

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It's shows that the problem with her stylings is that they don't translate well for the stature. She needs to find someone who can dress people her height. Her stuff always seems more flattering on taller women.

OT: Why is a Korean Award show held in Hong Kong and not Seoul?

^ Yeah. Only thing I can say is that she dropped to ponytail for once.

1 minute ago, Rocknet said:

I think this is a watershed moment for great entertainers in music that are not seen as traditional rock artists. Again, Janet has open the door for those that will make a case they deserve induction as well, despite not being "rock" artists in the traditional sense. Having the Hall induct Janet sets precedent for Iconic acts that have been dismissed before now.

Honestly I think it will cause the Hall to look more at urban contemporary acts. This will definitely pave the way for Mary J Blige, Alicia Keys, TLC etc.

Excited for Janet and the fans who have supported her through thick and thin.

I'm gonna be honest. If Janet is indeed announced, I hope rock fans don't come out with pitchforks and torches over it.

12 hours ago, JoeJoe said:

Why haven't I seen this before? Lord why was I so excited for the breakdown but was instantly disappointed?  

My expectations weren't high.