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10 hours ago, Mr. Wonder said:

A lot of ya'll did far more than what was necessary.

nah we did enough and that ass got dragged every which way. All the way from him cheating on his wife to Alicia's last hit 8 years ago. All these hoes gon learn to keep Janet's name out they mouth

5 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

But it wouldnt have made sense to even take that chance if janet had so much scrutiny around her. U keep making this about only America having an issue w/ SB but its still was RISKY since she was pretty much blackballed. U have to remember America is the BIGGEST market when it comes to the music industry..so yeah..if the biggest market wasnt fukin wit janet...overseas was not gonna take a chance on her. And lets be real Damita Jo was the decline of her career Joe...lets not act like she murdered..that was her first flop becus the public EVENTUALLY turned on her..juss cus janet had a big crowd at Seacrest show dont mean she was on top..that ended up being Usher's year with "Confession".. DamitaJo tanked

Damita Jo was the decline of her career but yet her 1st week sales were more than TVR first week sales and Just A Little While was set to be a hit here cause it was being played all over radio before the backlash and was in the top 5 of every radio station's playlist rotation. Let's not pretend like Damita Jo was flopping out the gate. Many artists have flopped in America and have still went overseas and sold out shows. Once again the AMERICAN public turned against Janet. Stop acting like the whole world stopped fucking with her cause of an American event cause they didn't but I digress.

5 hours ago, vibeology said:

well this was for UCAP tour right which was already small in production...

yup but this is how you can squeeze an Arena tour into a small theatre tour

2 hours ago, vibeology said:

I thought the stage tended to be smaller in smaller venues. I think of the venues I work at here in the UK. Imagine having a  Metamorphosis or RWU show and trying to squeeze it into a theatre throughout your tour. Im not an an expert but sounds costly and a logistical nightmare

same as she did here in Asia at a private show 

9 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

 Joe, u have got to think about it from a business stand point. Whether to them if the sb was a big deal or not.. has nothing to do with the business moves you make. No one seen Janet as profitable since her career was falling apart...so no one is gonna invest in you if they dont see a benefit for themselves. Sponsors are not gonna support a tour they think will fail becus her career was on thin ice at that point,. Its about business and not personal in that industry. And its understandable

her career was only falling apart in America not overseas. She could've toured. Ryan Seacrest, thousands showed up for her performance. With all that controversy she still would've been a huge draw concert wise.

5 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

Overseas sponsors wasnt gonna risk dealing with janet. On a global scale doin business with janet was juss not smart for anyone. NO ONE was gonna touch her. You dont remember the story of them being in DamitaJo tour rehearsals and and janet had to come and break the news to the dancers that there wont be tour and everybody broke down? Gil had pretty much told the story and he was the one saying janet couldnt get the support. 

 

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nope never heard that story. That had to suck. Idk why oversea sponsors wouldn't deal with her. I thought it wasn't a big deal to them, only in America it was

On 9/9/2020 at 1:06 PM, vibeology said:

It reminds me today, I was talking to the decorator who has been in my house this week and he told me his name was Eissa! He was like it means Jesus, I was like " I know  do you know Janet Jackson? 

*blank face*

JANET JACKSON

*blank face*

Michael Jackson? Its his sister...

"oh  I think I've heard of her"

Granted, he's Afghani and probably around 27, but I would have hoped for some vague knowledge 

that's sad to hear

5 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

Well that one wasnt exactly Janet's fault. Janet was gearing up to tour for DamitaJo but it basically fell through cus she couldnt get no sponsors to support the tour, she was blacklisted during that time. Nobody wanted to touch her. She was "poison" in the industry at that point. 

Wait i've never heard that before? Nobody would sponser her for that tour? Couldn't she have gotten one from overseas or something?

2 hours ago, Angela said:

I rarely watched her stories or anybody else’s really. Her last tweet had over 32k likes because that dance went viral earlier in the summer and that song has been played all over Africa this summer. It’s a very popular song. It’d be awesome if she actually did the dance to draw more attention to it. 

Oh really? I have feeling she will do it just like she did the popular african dance as the throb breakdown. I haven't heard this new african song but I might give it a listen. I hope Janet will be able to teach Eissa about his people's origins of Africa when he's capable of comprehending that kind of stuff. She'll be 60 when he's 10.

6 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

Im telling yall Janet getting all those Lifetime Achievement awards gives her this false sense of her legacy flourishing. Shes not truly lifting the wool off her eyes. Kids should know WHY janet is a legend...not juss hear about it. Not to mention the views for Janets videos on youtube is dramatically lower than her peers.. Her not handling her youtube shit back when it really mattered is another missed opportunity. She's always late to the party. Like why arent the ppl in her team not keeping her up on stuff...its weird. Is nobody paying attention to anything? 

Yeah I remembered when she finally got on IG waaaaaay after everybody else. Mariah got 9.5 million and Madonnasaur got 15 million cause she's always trying to stay young and relevant. Janet is at 5 which is ok considering how late she joined. Shit like that Rickey Smiley interview about Janet going head to head against Beyonce in a vs battle would've never went that way with most of them doubting Janet had enough hits to go against Beyonce if Janet was truly cemented. There would've been no doubt in anyone's head cause Janet truly does have more hits and no.1s than Beyonce.

On 9/5/2020 at 11:15 PM, Mr. Wonder said:

Her social media posts, namely Twitter and IG, are just embarrassing. I've had to mute her on Twitter because her posts are just annoying at this point, and whoever is running her account is not doing her any favors. It's been ten years and she still hasn't properly adapted to social media, and will continue to get left in the dust if she doesn't. With new music coming out, now would be the time to be promoting herself, but the team would rather give 15 mins of fame to random ppl. She's really useless on social media. Like why are you here if you're gonna be boring? 

This! Everytime I get a notification that says Janet Jackson tweet when I click on it I end up doing this

6 minutes ago, Angela said:

I honestly love this video but she’s got to have more engaging captions and promote herself. I admittedly don’t pay too much attention to her Sunday motivation messages, because... she can do better. 

I stopped watching her IG stories cause I know it's gonna be something i'm not interested in and I know it's not her who's doing those stories

On 9/5/2020 at 6:55 AM, Jakob said:

 

She has a kid to raise, and like someone else stated here as well, Janet is aware that her legacy is already cemented. I just can't wait for this whole Corona-fiasco to be over, so we can get a properly promoted Black Diamond era.

Sorry I don't buy that "having kids" stuff as an excuse. Tons of Legends have kids and still make sure they're legacy is never forgotten. Janet's legacy is cemented for sure but we don't need it barely hanging on by elmer's glue. She's for sure cemented here in America but there's so many overseas who say they haven't heard of her or don't know her work. That's not being cemented

5 hours ago, jinthahouse said:

This was disrespectful imagine they believed that the bulk of the singles Beyonce had that she had listed were hits and said that she won an oscar. Most of them songs didnt even chart Meanwhile they bash Janet not having a catelog enough for her

That was Eva's America's Next Failed Model who said that shit about Beyonce being bigger than Janet. I'ma go tweet that hoe!

1 hour ago, vibeology said:

I soooo admire your optimism  i really do!

 

Do you have an an opinion on what you think they were waiting for???

I know other countries dont want Americans there right now. They're literally have a travel ban on us

7 minutes ago, Jakob said:

It was on top of her website, LOL. It said "European and other world dates soon to be announced". 

and what's weird to me with that is why after all this time is she finally deciding to focus on Europe although its a great idea? I mean she should've kept them on her mind whenever she considered touring because that's where she started with the first leg of her Velvet Rope tour and all her dates sold out. That should've told her something

6 hours ago, J. said:

Nope

Agreed. If a record label doesn't wanna invest in updating RIAA certs the Artist can do it themselves if they choose to. 

5 hours ago, vibeology said:

Thank you for seeing it from OUR side! She has not toured here since 2011, for 13 years prior to that! Seeing her in the US in 2015  was my first and so far last time seeing her live. Thats why I said the lack of communication really frustrated me because the UB tour never got rescheduled and its never been acknowledged since, whilst touring the US several times. I sometimes wonder if you realise how spoilt youve been over there  Some people say she is a "local" entertainer and looking in  from here, I understand where theyre coming from. The number of shows she aimed for in Europe shows she/her team are out of touch, thinking her name alone would sell. Its not the 90s now.

I've been seeing if from y'alls side for over a decade. I've been wanting her to start focusing on her overseas fans since America did her so dirty after the Superbowl. She should've went over there and toured all over the globe. Janet fucked up. She literally could've been huge overseas like Madonna. We'll never forget her here although the younger generation barely knows her but overseas definitely forgot about her.

19 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

Dont be fooled despite Janet being bashful about her accomplishments she has ALWAYS cared about album sales & figures hence to her always saying "Im extremely competitive with everyone including my brother" ...and she also told oprah she wanted to outsell "Thriller". Janet didnt care as much once she got past her prime understandably. I think her being honored with artist achievement awards give her a false sense of her legacy flourishing but thats only through the scope of the industry..what about the streets? Kids hear about Janet being a legend but they dont know what for cus they arent familiar wit alot her work. Her and Mariah are playing the legacy game differently. But hey, thats all janet. If she thinks her legacy will thrive on...coo..but i dont want her to be one of those forgotten icons once she passes..thats my only cconcern.

This! I also definitely believe there was a time where Janet got cocky, just like most artists when they are huge, and thought her name alone would sell records, tickets, get good ratings, etc. which in part was true but that's not all that will work for you. For example, here's something that in my eyes started during the All For You era, Janet knew she was still hugely popular and that her album would do good numbers in sales worldwide whether she toured overseas or not. She had no interest in resuming the tour for her fans overseas so she didn't even when it was safe. We head on over to the Damita Jo era and still no tour for anyone, not even for her fans overseas. Then we go to the 20 Y.O. era. Once again no tour for anybody in America or overseas. Let's go to The Discipline era. It's now been 7yrs since you haven't toured for your fans. I think when the numbers for her tickets sales came out it showed her that although she's a Legend and Icon that her name can only do so much and ended up cancelling the tour.

Now we're in 2010. By then her Legacy diminished so much she had to resort to going on American Idol to show the world she was still a bad bitch. The world seeing how great she was ended up buying her American Idol performance so much that it shot to no.1 on Itunes. Let me say it again, a performance on a tv show shot to no.1 on Itunes. I'd never heard of it before but Janet did it. Her and her team made a smart move which was to start a small intimate tour. We know it was done small on purpose to see how those tickets would do and rebrand her name and legacy. By the end of 2011 she ended up having a sold out tour that started with 35 dates and due to demand ended up with 71. Her legacy was up and running again.

I'ma make this paragraph short. 2015 no Unbreakable tour for her fans overseas after cancelling. 2017 resumes tour with now new name "State of the World" and once again leaves her overseas fans out of the picture. We get to 2019 and we get the "Rhythm Nation 30th Anniversary Tour" and sorry but once again our fellow overseas fans are left out. 2020 and here it is about another Decade of her overseas fans not seeing her. Most of them gave up on her. Sad but a lot of them have stated so.

2 hours ago, jinthahouse said:

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so how about the rest of Viacom like VH1

Vh1 was playing her stuff too. I'd often see Rock With U on that channel

8 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

To me its not even about giving the fans something...im more concerned with her LEGACY ...its falling to the wayside becus its not enough effort from her or her team to support her status as a legacy artist. It should be young ppl knowing janets music the way they know Michael jackson and Mariah's.  Mariah is doing what needs to be done as a legacy artist...janet is juss not. Aretha was way before my time but i know Aretha songs. Why does this young generation not know Janet songs? See how their is a disconnect? Her legacy should spill over into other generations like her peers and its not.

I said the same thing and some fans are blaming it on her being blacklisted trying to say she was blacklisted for 10yrs. I had to correct them that she was blacklisted for about 5yrs. LA Reid got her back in good standings with MTV during the Discipline album and radio stations started playing "Feedback". This was in 2008 so yeah it wasn't 10yrs

2 hours ago, janetDAYZ said:

Im sure Jimmy feels the same as we do to an extent but would still back Janet up juss becus he such a ride-or-die her. So he would never admit if he felt the same way as her fans do....ever 

Yeah I know Jimmy feel it sometimes too. Look what I just found out Sade doing for her fans. Releasing a box set. How long has it been since we've been trying to get the RN and janet. tour on dvd? 

1 hour ago, janetDAYZ said:

I say this becus its more than evident at this stage the way Mariah and her team handle her status as a legacy act is unmatched and in turn Mariah has not only the respect of the older audience but also of the young generation becus her team has a way of keep Mariah visible in a way that makes everyone knowledgeable of Mariah's achievements, success and records that she has broken and still holds. So this makes Mariah name thrive and sustain through this new culture of social media junkies. For instance w/ the Verzuz Battle..Mariah's name keeps coming up and everyone is saying "Only Mariah can go against herself cus no one has as many hits as her" and WE as Janet fans know only JANET could easily go up against her cus Janet is the only other legend today (besides Madonna) that is packed with hits for days n days but its interesting that no one is bringing Janet's name up to go against Mariah becus its almost like ppl arent either knowledgeable of how lengthy janets catalog is and/or they janet juss isnt fresh on nobodies mind cus she is so tucked away. I juss wish Janet's team would kinda push Janet's legacy more cus its kinda getting lost in the shuffle. Hell, you even had SwizzBeats acting like he didnt realize how monstrous Janets catalog was..and he is KNEE DEEP IN THE INDUSTRY!!!!!!!!! ..like what??????! but yeah....something clicking. Even that 18yo boy who went viral and was talking about how Janet is one of the best selling, biggest pop stars of all time but no one from his generation can name a Janet Jackson song. This is disturbing to me..her legacy is not being handled well. 

So damn sad to hear. I'm tweeting about it right now and i'ma @Jimmy. I hope he dont get mad but it's the truth. I remember that video about that 18yo boy. I need to know where it is cause i'ma tweet it and tag both Jimmy and Janet.

3 hours ago, jinthahouse said:

 

Damita Jo had higher chart positions worldwide than some Rhythm Nation singles

really?  

1 hour ago, Angela said:

Lipstick Alley. Granted the creator of the thread did give credit to this forum. 

I'd of never thought lipstick alley would be all up in here spying lol