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She looks GOOOOOOOD AF!!! She’s about to go in, everyone watch! I’m so hype for this all to happen and her fit tonight!

What’s the red carpet channel? Whose covering it can’t remember 

Let’s bet, it’s going to be Bruno who presents...

Nonetheless, I’m very excited to see if she does the whole red carpet & all. This will be the return of Janet and the beginning of her roll out...

14 hours ago, vibeology said:

Same here for me, it was my first time seeing her live. And the Unbreakable tour actually did make it out of the USA, unlike SOTW, so far at least.

So you agree the "family planning" and cancelling Unbreakable was...pre-planned?

I think the family planning was always going on from the beginning. It could have been an agreement between them that even if she went back to work she wouldn’t stop trying to get pregnant. 

Not to mention the “3-year” plan wasn’t actually a plan at all it was just a contractual agreement she put her team on in the event that the work extends beyond the original scope of time. She probably did that because she knew she was still working on getting pregnant. 

Lastly, SOTW was a MUUUUCH better show. It was one of her best shows honestly and hands down the best setlist. 

*Pillow Talk is a track I always wanted to hear Janet do & to know it’s one out there is driving me crazy! But I think we’ll get an EP first. 

1 hour ago, State of the Game said:

Oh.. didn’t realize that we were only talking about tours... I said Janet’s career > Prince’s  .. not “Janet tours vs Prince”

That’s when The NFL was playing it safe and boring  

Prince is a legend but Janet has eclipsed him totally... Prince hasn’t been relevant since the 1980s and after he died like every other musician who has died 

Again this couldn’t be further from the truth. Nonetheless, you’re never worth having debates that involve logic. You’re full of shade & invaluable points. It is what it is. 

3 hours ago, State of the Game said:

Album sales aren’t important when discussing quality.. not relevancy

Prince has 39 albums.. of those albums, he only hit #1 four times.

Janet has 11 albums... You do the math 

That’s loaded - Prince sold out tours and at times Janet struggled to sell tours. Relevancy can be judged by a multitude of things like tour sales AND their notoriety in the culture at any given time. 

Janet had number 1s with dismal sales. You’re being very unnecessary with this. It never had to be a comparison thing. Even without number 1 albums - he was headlining super bowl. 

Prince was beyond a solidified artist with relevancy. 

1 hour ago, State of the Game said:

Cool. How them album sales for the last ten years  

This from a person who defends tooth and nail that Janet’s album sales aren’t important. The concerts sold out. That’s about all that matters. He didn’t drop a lot of albums. 

1 hour ago, State of the Game said:

I didn’t lie doe  

But you did. He died while on a sold out tour performing in venues Janet performed in as well. 

1 hour ago, State of the Game said:

Prince.... yes ??‍♂️ 

I added MJ bc I could 

You added both because you’re unnecessary. 

1 hour ago, State of the Game said:

She’s miles ahead of Prince and her brother and no one check for them until they died. 

This can’t be any further from the truth 

Lol it’ll end up being Bruno Mars...

11 hours ago, jarrylf said:

...............soooo when radio & video networks (that weren't BET) were banning her music....new and old....for being....hers....you think if they were Great that would've changed her treatment...yet radio wasnt even playing her new stuff at all to even give the gp a chance. Its not that they treated those eras like they didnt exist because they weren't her best, they treated HER like she didnt exist, period

I never get this argument, how her treatment was seemingly "justified" because of the albums. Flop albums from good artists have their chances and then get treated like they dont exist, not the artist ENTIRE catalog & the artist themselves. She hasnt released or done any thing worth all the 'isms in her treatment.

For him to be the person who lashes out about any thing said about Janet it’s odd that he feels that her treatment was partly justified. 

You hit the nail on the head. It doesn’t even make any sense to debate with him any further because he literally is obtuse on the subject. 

21 hours ago, State of the Game said:

You're implying some mega group decided Janet’s career path. And That this group of white men conspired against Janet (and not Justin). You have no proof of that.. therefore it’s a conspiracy... theory

11 hours ago, State of the Game said:

That “group” was Viacom. ??‍♂️They OWN a large portion of multiple media. 

You literally named the group - but are acting like it’s a conspiracy. Lmao. They decided the way Janet’s career would be affected. That affect also played into Janet’s money. It was a blackball. 

Justin was just as much involved as Janet he was not nearly affected the same. There’s no need to debate further about that. 

You keep misconstruing my war reference. Nonetheless - Janet had music that would and could have been received differently had it not been shrouded in controversy. With the politics of business and racism at play. 

1 hour ago, State of the Game said:

Right... and where Mariah now? Stuck in Las Vegas and reality TV. And while Madonna is a top performing act, her albums aren’t exactly selling with heavy promo. 

His first of the “none Madea movies” which are his bread & butter. You’re trying to downplay her success. It’s weird especially since you thinking the music and age WASNT the problem (Mariah was 34 when Mimi was released)

Janet had nothing to do with war. We’ve been in war for years before 2004. The Entertainment industry has evolved thanks to Janet Jackson. She started the conversation. 

It wasn’t “minor”. Never has a person exposed themselves in front of a world wide audience.

You're implying some mega group decided Janet’s career path. And That this group of white men conspired against Janet (and not Justin). You have no proof of that.. therefore it’s a conspiracy... theory

A group literally decided Janet would not be played on certain networks and airwaves. Literally. 

A group of people LITERALLY decided she would no longer be receiving sponsorship. 

A group of people LITERALLY decided that radio and Tv now must have a delay due to Janet Jackson. 

The fact you missed the point about war & changes we were facing being the prerequisite to things inevitably changing and tightening up...I’m not referring to Janet having anything to do with war. 

Being used as a pawn means that people use your circumstance to drive their own agendas. They use your experience to make gains they find convenient for their progress. She was used as a pawn. 

I won’t argue the very obvious race factor with you because on numerous occasions you tend to be oblivious to where it applies. 

By the way - MAAAANY years ago someone streaked across the stage at an award show. Inside job. No blow out. Commercials were more racey than Janet’s moment. It was minor. If it was so major why did they keep showing it on loop & as a static image on news?

56 minutes ago, Dal said:

All of what you said is true and valid and I’ve made all of those same points over and over throughout the years.. but it’s a new day.. she’s a mom now.. I don’t think she’s in the headspace of holding grudges, especially when the CEOs and leaders of said companies/entities are no longer in play.. it’s a new world out there.. when’s the last time Janet did all these crazy music festivals one after the other? When’s the last time she got married/divorced? When’s the last time she wa a mother? All of that shit (and then some) had occurred since her fall from grace (and yes, the quality of her music did play a big role in that downfall).. regardless, again, I never said it was probable or likely to happen.. but. I. Would. Not. Be. Made. At. All. If. She. Chose. To. Do. Just. That!

teach this country a lesson, Ms. Jackson... educate them! I’m here for it

It’s not a grudge it’s a lesson on who holds your value. Do you decide you’re worthy or  you let the industry’s politics decide your value? Her being a mother is even more reason to show your child to not allow the powers that be to determine your relevancy and worthiness. 

She has WORKED HER ASS OFF to get to just where she is right now. She more than MOST legends had to fight for her respect. Even she said in the opening of Unbreakable - they must have forgot who I am. 

Janet understands the new day & current time means connect with the culture. Many people are divided on the NFL - she would literally not be teaching anything they shouldn’t have already learned from Colin Kapernick. She would strictly be a pawn to pander for views. She would have to know that. 

She focuses on her new music, content, overseas tour, and business ventures and she’d be good. 

14 minutes ago, State of the Game said:

Who in her age group? 

Yes.. but Janet isn’t just “some artist”

My comment was about Janet not Tyler.. she who gave him his third largest box office opening and fifth most grossing movie. That’s impressive imo

Not here for conspiracy theories. And even if that was true, I doubt Justin was in on it

At the time Janet was going through her spiral Madonna & Mariah were still making waves and Mariah was doing it as a comeback. 

You feel it’s impressive, but Tyler has an audience. Period. It was his 3rd largest. Not his second. Not his first. So it’s like his audience PLUS the Janet fans who wouldn’t have supported otherwise boosted the numbers but he has an audience all by himself. 

“Conspiracy theory” is used to belittle a point. The landscape was changing regardless the entire nation was being revamped due to war & privacy shifts. Controls have gotten tighter we all know that. Janet was being used as a pawn in the way that she was no more guilty than Justin but her being a woman, a black woman, & Jackson made it easy to sensationalize. It was fake outrage over something very minor. 

5 minutes ago, State of the Game said:

Releasing mediocre music tarnished her career. 

She also changed the landscape of the entire United States entertainment business, inspired the start up of a billion dollar online business, scored #1 movies at the box office despite them being for Tyler Perry, and. Also ageism played the BIGGEST part imo

 

Mediocre music has never stopped some artists from reaching great heights. People will hate  song and with enough promo and radio play you learn to love it. 

Tyler Perry scores number one movies with or without Janet which I’m sure also helped making her cool with working with him. 

The landscape was going to change she said herself she felt like a pawn being used for it. 

5 hours ago, Dal said:

Maybe Janet can bring her show to the SB Halfime platform and it could be a national educational experience.. a win-win for all sides of the spectrum.. and who better to do that than someone who’s been bringing massive amounts of awareness to these issues for decades.

Imagine the press release the NFL would create to appease skeptics: “In continuation of our commitment to understanding and appreciating all voices from all walks of life, we gladly welcome any messages of social inequality and injustices that Ms. Jackson will bring to our Halftime stage.” Etc etc etc..

As much as I hear what your thought process is and get why you feel that way. I don’t know if you might consider what it felt like to Janet to be blackballed and to watch the person who participated with you thrive, distance themselves, & then be supported on the main stage that tarnished her career. 

The experience of very political racism being used as a scapegoat for politics and change. Having jokes made about her, having to answer to the questions 8 years after while Justin is NEVER asked, losing endorsements, not being able to tour for 2 albums & then when she gets to tour having to cut it short because she’s no longer selling like she used to - and touring being the PRIMARY way artists make their money. Having to make nice and play nice while everyone is playing you so dirty. Then allow that same platform you were completely dismantled from to reach out in THEIR time of need & say - hey, let us use you as a pawn again to show we’re trying to be “understanding”... after we already allowed the other half back before you. 

Janet experienced racism and sexism in a VERY BOLD form, and the angle you’re presenting kinda has racial implications that I’m sure you’re not aware of. It’s like - You get whatever we give you. If we say you’re welcomed back then you’re welcomed back. You dance when we say dance...this is a very twisted display of control.

If Janet believes in karma which I KNOW she does - I’m sure she’s looking at their fall from grace as a response to what they allowed to happen to her. 

2 hours ago, Dal said:

JT’s halftime show was the least viewed halftime show since the Black Eyed Peas.. the NFL tool full notice of #JanetJacksonAppreciationDay and are in the process of winning back viewers (especially black viewers).. Janet isn’t dumb.. she knew performing with JT this year wasn’t the right choice for her to make.. but having the halftime stage to herself would be.. she’d be able to rewrite her Super Bowl history and close the chapter on that once and for all..

 

How do you think Janet feels about Super Bowl treating minorities speaking out against the same thing her tour was about?

1 hour ago, Dal said:

My guess:

she’s doing the super bowl next year!

and she’s wanting to have a strong summer showing for when she’s announced as the halftime performer in late Sept/early Oct.. it’ll sound really good for the NFL and Pepsi if they can include in her announcement press release that she just came off of a blockbuster sold out summer tour!

think abouts it 

Why do you think Super Bowl is in her interest to do again?

1 hour ago, Bailey. said:

 

I'm lovin the new pony tail fly gurl look that jacket is on point get em Janet !!

These are the pix that surfaced while she was still on tour that she took on break in LA

She won’t do talk shows but this time around I BET Janet will be on a big platform to be seen. She’s going to make sure her current relevance is more elevated than it has been. There’s obviously a plan. 

You can tell she’s about to drop a whole roll out and revamp. New music, I’m sure videos, performances to back it, and even new dancers. 

I bet she’s even about to give new content & some other type of big push for what she has going on. Think about how active she’s been and how it always leads to her doing “something”. It’s obvious she’s working. 

I have no doubt she’ll go to Europe but I think she’s trying to scale up to Europe. The fans that come here are die-hard fans but the ones she has to pull in and make buy are the ones who don’t realize she’s putting out so much work just yet. 

I don’t know how we can call AFY a more “successful” era if it didn’t have the success of TVR. Honestly TVR set the tone and expectation of AFY. And it was still at Janet’s major peak - I feel AFY was still Janet heightened but it still wasn’t Janet era or TVR. It was Janet showing - age isn’t anything but a number & she’s still killing it. 

You can refer back to the questions and statements of some of those interviews. Diane Sawyer, who I don’t fuck with, asked - do you ever feel like take that Britney & Christina at 35 and the killer body still going...

That’s a question alluding to longevity & being in the game so long. Which really is stupid to ask but it happens. TVR was still in the expected & unquestioned height.

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