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I’ll just say in performance - it’s not “just clothes” or she would walk up there in sneakers & sweatpants. It’s thematic & I’m sure she chose that for a blend of a “global/tribal” effect. It gave more Islamic chic then anything but IMO & many others it wasn’t flattering. It was distracting. 

12 hours ago, Jakob said:

I loooooved her performance and I'm over with the fans complaining. Her outfit was so different than at the Jimmy Fallon show but that's good. 

Only thing I need right now are the European dates. She shouldnt wait any longer. But I believe they will come this week or next week.

Her Jimmy Fallon look would have really captured the song more. She definitely did a great job & her intro had me HYPE but for a group of fans who love her for her artistic delivery - I don’t think mentioning a part of the art that threw it off (costume) is a complaint. She literally pays ppl for this. 

I liked the intro a lot. Really liked the production & drums & all. Wish she chose a different outfit...but hey. 

I love she’s out performing and killing it. 

4 hours ago, JoeJoe said:

That never happened

Fair, but maybe I should rephrase. She had to build up her touring brand & trust, in general. Just show that she will and does commit to days and pulling it off. 

Everything will be interesting to see. 

4 hours ago, JoeJoe said:

 

Both of y'all gon quit playing in Janet's face 

Oh it's gonna happen! Janet knows she fucked up abandoning her international fans for what, almost 8yrs now? I know her and her team ain't that stupid. Plus she's older so i'm sure she see's that her and Madonna are pretty much the only older acts that can still sell out arenas and stadiums.

It’s no disrespect to Janet literally none, but Janet didn’t just “abandon” her international fans. She had to build herself back up amongst the international base - especially to do a large scale arena tour. Now we might see, & MAYBE could have always, seen her do “hot spots”. 

A couple dates in London, do MAYBE Paris. Hit Japan if she can. Janet would love to have the international dollar as much as the American dollar but I don’t believe the sales were really there. 

5 hours ago, Damitajo said:

 

Where’s what? That he was dating Angie Martinez during this era? If that’s what you’re asking it’s well known but it’s also in her book. She actually fist fought Wendy Williams because she disrespected him on air & at the time they worked for the same radio station. She insinuated that Tip was gay & closeted...while they were together and everyone knew they were together. 

Angie walked into the studio and beat Wendy’s ass. Literally. 

But if you’re asking where is it that he was cool with Rene you can hear in the recording him speaking to Rene who seems to be outside the booth. He’s even calling his name - not to mention Rene is in Poetic Justice. 

1 hour ago, vibeology said:

Very true. But I'm inclined to believe it was the other 

That’s what I’m trying to figure out though what would be the other way she blew up? While being married to Rene who was also in the movie & who seems to be in the studio with them & cool with Tip? They definitely seem to have a vibe but idk. 

3 hours ago, vibeology said:

during the TVR era u think she was husky?

During the recording of the era, I was guessing but wasn’t sure. Those years there being no social media we only saw her when she released really 

I thought she said that because she was husky at the time lol

1 hour ago, Angela said:

So what’s the real tea between these two?

lol! I’ve always said I never thought they were together. She was with Rene, and it sounds like Tip always knew that & was cool with Rene AND at that time Tip was dating Angie Martinez too. 

1 hour ago, Damitajo said:

There's another stem of Janet screaming "What's up n******" it was an unexpected surprise 

Where’s that?

37 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

No one cares about the stupid bra and panties line that should NEVER have been a thought... it has nothing to do with music. The documentary has nothing to do with music. You mentioning them as if 1) they are relevant 2) I didn’t know about Janet’s stupid ideas during the Great Repressive Era.

As a fan, I don’t care about a strategy. It doesn’t matter. The EP or album isn’t going to sell, it’s not going to stream well. It’s for the fans.. give the fans what they want. An album. A tour

Save that EP BS 

You’re stupid af - the bra line is what could have been a very smart business move for Janet - it’s more residual income & with a brand like hers she could have played off of that for many years and made a lot of money. Your opinion on that is irrelevant because you’ll respond just to be petty. 

The music being rolled out is a strategy and to say as a fan you don’t care about strategy is because you don’t realize that as a fan - you are a part of the fucking strategy. You are a consumer. Fan is a nice word for consumer. So if the music is for the consumer then there is always a sales strategy. The music is for more than just you Janet is a business with a lot of people attached to her. She has a label and ambitions beyond herself. She would and could be the first form of a proof of concept for any other artists to be developed by her and her team. 

Not to mention - when it’s all said and done we’ll have another convo. You think you don’t care & you think it doesn’t matter but that’s with you not realizing the potential of what could be created. 

1 hour ago, Game For Now said:

Literally there is no direction, publically

What does that stupid and ill-timed bra line or What’s the T have to do with music in 2018? Let that shit go. JanFam always living in the past

MFN was Tested privately between her peers and colleagues... shocking revelation!!!! Too bad that a completely different test than dropping a waste of time to the fans after years of releasing actual albums. 

Keep that shit. Drop an album. Continue that tour, perform those 6 songs that were going to be on that EP anyhow 

 

You’re so fucking obtuse it’s ridiculous. The point of bringing up things that didn’t happen is to explain shit is often planned in Janet’s camp that doesn’t always pan out. It has nothing to do with how “good” or “bad” of an idea it is. You’re unaware of the intended strategy for an EP so you’re so against the shit that every time it comes up you police the statements with negative responses. 

You just MIGHT get your album without the EP & IF you do, I’m betting you will have gotten a lesser roll out & strategy. 

So, hypothetically, lets say the direction has changed from EP to LP - it would not be because an EP is a waste of time. It also isn’t because she has enough material to release an album. She ALWAYS over records material. Then they decide what stays and what goes. 

If you don’t think MFN was tested before she dropped it to get an opinion on if it would do better than other stuff she has recorded you’re naive. Not to mention she has songs better than MFN on ice right now. MFN was recorded in the FIRST half of the SOTW tour. It’s actually about a year old. If you’re a fan of Janet you know there have been GREAT ideas that didn’t pan out...for whatever reason from lingerie lines to productions. 

If you get an album before an EP, I’m willing to bet the initial strategy for the EP will not be fully executed for an entire album & that’ll be kinda unfortunate. 

Yup seems things have changed but it could have been amazing to see the original ideas. 

I just have to say I am so happy to see this board run by a Black Woman. It makes a difference in the allowance of discourse and contextualizes conversations perfectly. 

Bernie did not daily lose in the primary there were tactics used against him by Clinton unethically to ensure that loss. Nonetheless, as terrible as it has ended up for others - Trump’s victory felt like a long coming karma. Not just to Hilary but also to America in general. 

The best aspect of having Trump in office is the white liberal claims of post-racial & expensively progressive society being revealed as lies. I think if Hilary won ppl would have went back to silent & felt blindly safe. Having no accountability of her or what is going on in Washington. While trump is a walking cancer cell to humanity - we do live in a time where topics are so polarized that nuances are thrown out the window. Any time you have a varied thought you are labeled - where some type of phobic or bigot or any other marginalizing title. 

For me, I PERSONALLY feel it is in the best interest of the black race to strengthen the home front - through financial unity, political power, economic growth, & ownership before infusing their power/representation as a backbone to other groups. It’s one of the reasons our movements, neighborhoods, & resources get hijacked & overshadowed. Give sympathy for sure but it is not impractical to think there needs to be grander movement of cultural unity to ensure a larger impact. 

That person doesn’t care about facts. They had a point they wanted to prove. 

6 hours ago, Kaleidoscope Eyes said:

I have no problem with black women specifically speaking out about their plight independent of white women. Don’t give a shit about white women who were victimized by Cosby or Kavenaugh. These same women will get on a jury and vote to not convict a white supremacist police officer for murdering a black child. These same women voted for Trump. 

And you have black peoples caping for these women talking about “these poooooor victims...” Fuck outta here!

That’s an assumption about all of those women, and could be true about some of those women. I don’t know them anymore than you do. You’re conflating issues & to a degree I can get WHEN a white woman votes for Trump & votes for the innocence of a murdering cop to dissolve ourselves of care for them...

but that’s when that happens. As of now, it’s all an assumption & where they stand for those who have been sexually assaulted & raped there’s no excuse or “ok” thing about that. 

5 minutes ago, Tituba said:

Just so we are clear...Janelle Monae also advocated for women. After what went down this week with Kavanaugh, Bill Cosby...the revelation about Les Moonpie blocking her bags and Serena being mistreated on the court....how can Janet NOT speak on women and their issues. It's dominating the news when she turns on the tv this evening and she is disgusted by all the Injustice. 

That’s not what’s being said and honestly I don’t have a problem with Janet taking a stance. At all. It’s what I love her for. Can’t Be Stopped is one of my favorite tracks by Janet.

I think the only difference is her speech at the Soul Train awards in 04 which was ALL about womanhood and empowering women with a specification toward being a woman of color vs. a very clean all lives matter speech. Not saying she should be a separatist - it’s just the same message delivered with a double stance. 

17 minutes ago, John.... said:

I dont think Janet needs to echo race, she's performing that on stage, and has been for some time now.  When she has spoken out against the misogyny of women, she has spoken from her personal experiences in a larger context. I mean does anyone believe if Janet wasn't married to Wissam she would say a word about a Qatari airline? The only exception anyone could take here is its a time where speaking out for women is in vogue so less risk attached, more reward.

She does perform that on stage and there’s no doubt about that & she also performs themes about misogyny on stage. 

1 hour ago, Kaleidoscope Eyes said:

I love Janet but sometimes I feel like she parrots white feminist talking points. Please believe white women will choose white supremacy over the farce of feminism (that doesn’t include black women) I wish Janet would just advocate for black people (specifically) as a collective. 

Very interesting statement. Before you get attacked I want to engage this. Personally, while I think Janet has literally made a footprint for all the current “hot topic” issues currently - in the most recent years, she has not directly been as vocal out her own mouth for things like Black Lives Matter. In her interviews she makes black culture a priority & speaks from a genuine space on its defense, respect & recognition...but right now, and maybe even more so based on where her personal life is - women rights AND black women at that is a personal position for her.

I get it might feel a little more comforting to Black women who feel even MORE marginalized to hear Janet echo - women & add the specification black women to her stance. I can get that. 

I’m not a fan of Can’t B Good but SloLove & Lonely I’ll take any day! Even Take Care but I don’t need it but wouldn’t mind. She’s damn near given me every track I’ve asked for live! Literally. 

3 hours ago, Lenzo88 said:

So....still a work in progress huh?

It’s like past mid-September n we still haven’t got a release date for this...”thing”. But Janet is still “working on it” but releases a lead single anyway??? Jesus, what’s going on with Madonna and Janet this era?? One teases a song that won’t b released until the very end of the year to next year as well as already has a title for an album not coming out til next year either. The other releases the lead single and plans on releasing more singles/videos from a project that she and especially we have no idea what it’s gonna be!

When Mariah has her sh!t together for the rollout of her new album/era, you know the pop queens are in trouble.

No matter what Janet says in interviews she knows exactly what it’s going to be. She knows when it’s coming and MANY projects are a “work in progress” often up to the week before they release 

2 hours ago, Game For Now said:

Oh? When did I say I was? Quit the bull shit as if listening to Daniel singing about sex makes you some reputable music guru. Your opinion on music is smug. Congratulations on you liking someone no one else has heard of Your opinion is biased bc you’re so far up his and HER’s musicial asses

The R&B genre is a dying genre. Just because YOU listen to it doesn’t mean it is not. That’s like me collecting CDs and pretending physical copies are on the rise in the US.   

Jimmy & Terry are significant enough for Janet to keep saying it in literally every promo interview for MFN... something’s she’s never done.. ever. Sooo Jimmy & Terry are apart of the track which makes me love it even more  

IDGAF how many people she performed in front of. Quantity =/= quality..  that applies to any artist 

An EP is stupid and a waste of time. I know how it works for no bodies like Daniel & HER 

But please, continue to smugly tell me what to listen to  

It’s funny that you go up for Janet yet this entire era with everything she’s said and done you’ve been a complete contrarian to. You didn’t even know what the fuck the breakfast club was, like MANY of the people here, but it has millions of followers and advit supporters. You literally think your fucking small ass bubble is a reflection of what people are collectively experiencing. There are artists who a whole group of people don’t listen to yet they sell out stadiums. Markets can be abundant & diverse  

According to Janet RnB will never die and it is her genre.  “It is “our” music” according to Janet herself. So if I’m far up their musical asses what the fuck is she? She’s mentioned them in about as many interviews as she has Jimmy & Terry. Not only as ppl she supports but people she would love to work with. She has even taken her time to PERSONALLY go to HER concert. You OBVIOUSLY don’t listen bc you would know Daniel Cesaer isn’t making much sexual music. 

Its not my opinion that’s smug it’s that when dealing with a condescending ass hole you have to talk to them at their level. You have complained since this entire process started. You take shots at everything & still you don’t get how an EP can be working in Janet’s favor, again due to your bubble, so you call it a waste. Fuck outta here. 

1 hour ago, Game For Now said:

They’re R&B albums that were poorly executed, I can agree there. 

Agree to disagree. No Sleeep >> anything and every R&B track from her three red-headed step children. You’re biased towards Daniel & HER. R&B is dead

I want to remind you that Jimmy/Terry contributed to MFN. The idea of an EP is stupid which is why Janet hasn’t all out said “EP”. I was bumping the 3 mistakes too but that don’t mean much 

You’re literally not someone who has any reputable opinion on RnB & to some degree music at all. Your opinion is usually catty and uninformed. Jimmy & Terry’s contributions are not significant enough to the point where they’re seen as lead producers. Period. 

Lastly HER just performed to a crowd of 10k people. RnB is very alive and well. You’re very detached and live in a bubble. Nonetheless, an ep makes complete sense for her strategy it doesn’t make sense for you because you can’t grasp how it works. 

28 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

From Damita Jo to Discipline are R&B tracks or a variation of R&B. Sprinkled with very few pop tracks

I’ll pass 

Every album has some RnB on it. Every single one because Janet is an RnB artist who was about to cross to pop & Pop itself is nothing but a blend of multiple genres that were made Popular. 

Yet in recent years Janet hasn’t had a solid or classic - on repeat RnB ballad or mid tempo. HER & Daniel Caesar’s lane is a very good lane for Janet to play in.

I want to remind you that you were also against Janet working with anyone but Jimmy & Terry because of the albums you hated - yet you have Made for Now. You’ve been against the EP idea, yet you’ll be bumping it & very happy with the roll out. Stop discrediting before you give it time to be experienced. Before you even take a listen. 

24 minutes ago, Game For Now said:

Disagreeeee we got R&B Janet for three albums straight and those albums are in her top 5 worst albums 

Besides the fact I completely disagree with Damita Jo being anywhere near a bad album...idk what you would call RnB Janet that MATCHED up to her other RnB music. 

For me, I’ll take -

I Want You

Take Care 

No Sleep

im sure I’m missing some but if you’re not familiar with artists like Daniel Caeser and HER you should listen to their music. It would be GREAT to hear Janet dig back into those lanes.