Black Eagle
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Well, the only correct thing that was said in here was "It starts with the base," but not for the reasons that were listed. You can't expect others to be aware of Janet's legacy when her own fans can't get facts straight. I'll exclude the plethora of inaccurate facts that exists in campaigns such as Janet's Legacy Matters and Induct Janet and just reference the inaccuracies in this thread. Firstly, Diamonds is not listed as a top 10 by Billboard because it isn't Janet's song, it's Herb Alpert's. That was the rule made by Billboard when the song first impacted the charts way back in 1987. So did Billboard have a vendetta against her then as well? And We Are The World for Haiti is no more a hit for Janet than We Are the World was for LaToya. Phoning in vocals as part of an ensemble and calling it a hit for her is just overreaching.
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Embarrassing.
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Album: Control, Rhythm Nation, to a lesser extent.
Song: Rhythm Nation, Nasty to a lesser extent.
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having male dancers has nothing to do with being sexualized. There are certain routines which require men. It just seems they were cut because children were there. The fanbase is adults. They should get the real versions of the routines.
They were cut because of her husband. He's the reason she wouldn't even touch or stand next to another man for years. Just look at how awkward she looked with J.Cole in the music video for "No Sleeep." Given such a sensual song, for her to be fully clothed and not even embrace the male counterpart on the song, it was very obvious it was because of Wissam. That video was not the Janet I know.
And I do agree with your point that the real versions need to return. The kids are irrelevant to me, but the new If routine is awful. There are certain routines you just don't modify: Rhythm Nation and If are two of them. If it comes to a point when she can't meet the physical demands of the original choreography, then she just need not perform it. But don't truncate the routine with choreography that looks horrid next to the greatness of Tina Landon's.
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There's a good potential of this but it would be really sad - there's too much potential. Even if the outline is kept there can be some switch up
The optimism is admirable, but you all do this every time she announces a tour. And every time it's the same greatest hits show as the previous one with a few tweaks here and there lol. Don't set yourselves up for disappointment just because the tour has a different name. She just isn't adventurous like some other artists when it comes to digging into your back catalog and performing deep cuts, and she never has been.
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Y'all are getting the same show you got last year with Daamn Baby and the State of the World instrumental during band/dancer intros being thrown in and you all shall deal.
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That's the thing: pregnancies (especially at Janet's age) are usually taken into consideration and planned beforehand. Why would Janet go on tour if "planning a family" with Wissam was on her (and his) mind in any capacity? We're all happy Janet's a mother, but that doesn't change the fact that the timing of it all makes her look bad, and puts her in an awkward position regarding her future touring prospects.
They really think she wasn't trying to get pregnant when she launched the tour.
Obviously her pregnancy wasn't done naturally. Much preparation most likely went into her getting pregnant. That's what makes the way she handles this so bad. But some fans think it was out of her hands. She really got them good.
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real easy for a man to say, especially since you all can have children anytime without that pesky thing called getting pregnant. im sure janet didnt wake up one day and say fuck everybody im gonna get pregnant.
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Live Nation is about to wash their hands of Janet.
I wouldn't be surprised tbh. They already gave her a second chance after the RWU tour, only for this to happen. She'll most likely fulfill her obligations, but she's too much of a risk going forward. Things just can't go smooth with her like other artists for some reason. Like, why can't she just finish a tour as planned? Why is there ALWAYS something preventing her from doing that? Fans point fingers everywhere except at her for that. Interesting.
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Touring Europe would've been ideal, but marketing and self-promotion has never been her strong suit.
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Do you need a fucking history lesson or are you that stupid?
Pretty sure Janet became Pregnant... hmm I guess that has nothing to do with anything, right?
And how convenient that was. That's probably when they ditched her.
FYI: Your insults and abrasive language won't make you appear intimidating or any less foolish than you always do. You just look hilariously unhinged. Something to keep in mind.
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Fucking stupid
I never said "sales don't matter to Janet"
i said "We're still pretending sales matter"
WE = fans, consumers
Well, I'm a fan and sales matter to me, as well as other fans. There goes your logic again. How will you change your statement again?
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that doesnt equate to being on TMZ for frenchint Drake and grossing him out or going on every show thatll have you to boost like itll help anyway. Selling merch with the album is common sense on every level and hardly a case for desperation for major numbers or hits Sigh. Now we're bringing Madonna once again into the equation? This is why Janet fans never prosper and why Janet's career is where it is. Focusing on the wrong things and people. But now that you mention Madonna, maybe Janet should do the same. I mean, Madonna got a $170 million grossing tour out of it. Looks like a better deal than what the silent treatment got Janet. What was it? $15 million gross from 33 shows? Yeah, maybe Janet should be "desperate."
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No. they were very proud that she put them on the map as their first #1 album. BMG wasn't disappointed.. YOU were and your opinion doesn't matter ??♂️
They're on a map? Where on the map? I can't locate them. And you're probably right. They probably are proud of her. That's why I can't for them to give us that 2 year plan for Unbreakable they said they were gonna give us two years ago!
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It made a profit. That's what matters.
So it wasn't about sales, but making money? I thought Janet Jackson didn't need that? That's what the recent informative JanetsLegacyMatters video said.
Caring about sales vs. Making sales THE priority. If she didnt care at all it wouldve been a free download, if sells were the/a priority would take more than the ticket bundle to prove that.
I never said it was a main priority for her. Your fellow Janet fans are the ones who said sales didn't matter at all, even though Janet has clearly done things to contradict that. So you basically proved how foolish they sound. Thanks for agreeing with me!
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RIGHT? Especially for a Legend.
Janets beyond worrying abouy sales, as she should be period, musicians post 40 and using every trick and stunt to boost sales like they on the same page as the basic bitches they inspire look thirsty and desperate.
Thats also why Im more on board for a new project all together, a re-release after 2 years looks and feels like a catch up at this point. And whilst we all agree its needed in terms of the tour, the album is solid as fuck. And for a black female singer of more than 30 yrs in the biz who dealt with a major backlash from major promotion for 10yrs, a independent artist and purposely did little beyond the tour to promote, its a success, especially compared to her peers doing the complete opposite as if they flop it'll be the worst thing theyve ever endured.
I'll take artistic integrity anyday, thank you
You mean like bundling albums with t-shirts just to chart? This sounds familiar.
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The album was very successful with all things considered... ZERO HITS, ZERO PROMO.. #1 in the only country that matters musically
it sold more than Janet and BMG expected.
Compared to her peers (Usher, Mariah, Madonna, Whitney, Paula) and for someone her age... it did well.
Comparing her streams and spins to the youth is redic especially since they're nonfactors
230k is more than they expected? Yikes! Shows how much faith they had in her.
Usher is not her peer, Paula hasn't released an album since 1995, Whitney is no longer here, even still her last album sold more than Janet's last 4 globally and Rebel Heart outsold Unbreakable three times over worldwide. I'll give you Mariah, but not by much, and she's had way more success than Janet has these last 15 years, so I'd toe that line.
And as far as streams, I can compare those to that of her contemporaries, and she's behind them all. So there's that.
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Yeah, Janet doesn't care about sales. That's why she bundled her album with merchandise and tour tickets just to chart.
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"Salvage the era"? Are you talking about the tour, or the album? Unbreakable went to Number 1 and gave Janet her 40 Hot 100 hit and longest running Number 1 on any genre chart with No Sleep. Sure it wasn't a million-seller but let's not get confused and say the album wasn't successful.
But let's be clear about chart expectations going forward. Now that all of the charts rely so heavily on streaming, it's going to be tough for artists like Janet to have the chart success that you see from folks like Ariana Grande or Harry Styles. Janet's fans don't spend every waking moment on social media trying to boost her YouTube and Spotify plays. On today's Billboard charts, that's how you get to "Number 1" absent a monumental sales week.
And even when limited to Streaming, there's a lot of inequality built into the Billboard Charts. Remember how the Dammn Baby video took over Facebook, yet it missed the Hot 100 entirely? It's because it's YouTube views were low, and Billboard doesn't count Facebook video views into it's streaming data. The only plays that matter to them are Spotify, YouTube, Apple Music and a few other services. They don't count Tidal either.
Unbreakable is my favorite Janet album, and I personally would love to see a re-release. But don't expect it to garner some huge chart position. From that front, Janet would be better off doing an album or an EP, then combine with a new video and some lead-up promotion.
The album debuted at #1, but has only sold a little over 230k in the US and bombed completely outside of the US. And the only reason the album sold that much was because of the ticket bundling. Let's not act like that album was successful. It wasn't. Yes, it gave Janet her 7th #1 album, and gave her 4 decades of #1 albums. That's a great achievement and a testament to her longevity. But commercially speaking, it was not a success by any means. Both the album and tour needs to be salvaged because both flopped. And let's also not act like "No Sleep" was this big hit. It did well on ONE chart, which was a small, niche chart. It wasn't a mainstream R&B or Pop hit.
there was no promotion around Unbreakable not a single interview done, and yet it made it to number 1, every album Janet has put out over the last 2 decades has been a top 3 debut so there's no reason to believe a new album with 8 or so tracks couldn't chart well. Besides from Unbreakable the songs that did get released didn't do much on the hot 100, the only good thing that did succeed was "No Sleep" which did well in the AC format. And lets not forget even then during Unbreakable some people didn't know she had a new album out, there are enough fans to buy a new album she will hit number 1 again and that's good PR too
You're right, there was no promotion, not a single interview. And that's why it debuted at #1 and was a free fall afterwards. You all need to stop using a #1 album as the end all, be all. There are albums today that sell 50k and debut at #1, does that make it successful? I'd rather have an album debut at #20 and actually get a certification, than an album that debuts at #1 and not even sell 300k. And you're saying there was people that didn't even know she had an album out, what would be different this time? At least last time there was some buzz as it was her first album in seven years. Now there is literally no buzz for a new Janet Jackson album. Majority of people are more interested in her giving birth at 50 and her divorce. No one's talking about wanting new music outside of her fan base. Which is why if she wants to release new music, have it be on a re-release for an album that deserved more attention.
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disagree, sorry Janet has Jimmy and Terry and a number of producers who would love to work with her, considering all the fans have gone through and yet we stand by her, there's nothing wrong with a new album, doesn't have to be long, but Im sure she has plenty of material to consider, release it independent as Unbreakable was chart another number 1 debut album earning Janet her 8th number one debut album
A new album will most likely flop. There's no buzz for a new Janet album. No sense in releasing a new album she'll most likely not promote. A few new tracks on a re-release will suffice.
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She should re-release the album with new tracks to have it chart again. Since it's an independent release and she's bundling the cd with merchandise, it'll make sense to re-release it back into the public's consciousness while on tour. The album will easily chart every week like it was doing before she postponed. That would salvage the era and would be a better look if she toured with a re-release instead of just a 2-year-old album.
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has the UK's Daily Mail ever been correct in their Janet predictions/news? This isn't a rhetorical or sarcastic question.. I know that I've read Janet info from them before, but can't remember if it was ever accurate or not..
if this turns out to be true tho....can't wait!!
I believe they were the first ones to break that Janet and Wissam were separating. Most fans didn't believe it because they have a reputation for fabricating. Then it quickly started spreading and other sites started posting it, even reputable ones. Then TMZ posted it and it was pretty much confirmed because they rarely are wrong.
MSN is also reporting it and they definitely have some credibility.
Edit: WELP, looks like my show has been rescheduled for October 26th! Tickets on sale this Friday!
http://www1.ticketmaster.com/event/04004F21E54824AB?
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Yes. Old people love Celine Dion ??
you also mentioned Jennifer Lopez...?
Well maybe old people need to love Janet, then maybe she'd be as successful as Celine is right now. Just a thought.
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Beautiful.
Obviously her pregnancy wasn't done naturally. Much preparation most likely went into her getting pregnant. That's what makes the way she handles this so bad. But some fans think it was out of her hands. She really got them good.
DENIED-- Slights Against Janet & Omissions of Her Work
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That's because the Hot 100 chart and R&B/Hip Hop charts have different sets of rules, clearly. And it's also clear that the rules regarding musicians like Herb Alpert doing an album with featured artists was different back then as well. It has nothing to do with her legacy being erased. The same thing was done to Lisa Keith who sang lead on "Making Love In the Rain". The song's chart position isn't attributed to her either.
http://www.billboard.com/artist/307492/lisa-keith/chart
But wait! Could it be possible that Billboard and the media is also trying to erase Lisa Keith's legacy with this omission as well?! Is a Lisa Keith's Legacy Matters campaign on the horizon?!