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Frankly, Unbreakable flopped. The album was already out of people's minds months after release because she did nothing to keep it in people's minds. Therefore, no one will care about the accompanying album when the tour resumes. Janet is a legacy act, and most people don't go see her based on her new music. They go for the catalog, so Unbreakable can be 10 years old and people will still go because they aren't going to hear songs from that album to begin with. It's not our jobs to tell her how she should resume the tour. She is a veteran artist with a PR team, a poor one, but a team nonetheless. That's their job to figure out, logistically, how they should go about resuming the tour. Just resume it.

Yes, it is an ultimatum. Either fulfill your commitments or go away. But officially cancel and give people their money back before you go.

For one, Janet is not guaranteed success in Vegas. Selling a 5,000 seat arena every other night is not that simple. Britney nor Mariah were able to do it and they're arguably more popular than Janet is right now. Secondly, you're saying she should skip finishing this tour internationally to re-build her brand in Vegas? Whatever success she has in Vegas won't have any bearing on her international audience. It's basically two different worlds. And what you're saying has already been done. Wasn't the point of UCAP to re-build her fan base to be able to do arenas? That was 6 years ago, now she has to re-build again? Why is that necessary? An artist of her caliber should not have to keep going to the drawing board like this, nor should she have such an inconsistent touring legacy. And it still isn't fair to fans. You're basically saying European fans can continue to wait until Janet gets it together. What makes you think they're going to want to still support after she re-brands herself after being taken for granted in such a way? You're saying I should think from a business angle, and I am. Continuing to ignore a part of the world you've only toured once in almost 20 years is not good business, no matter how you try to spin it.

She's been given enough breaks. That's why she gets to do this, because you all let her. Have you paid attention to her career the last 15 years? Any other artist would be dragged after doing what she's done. Just a WEEK before she announced she was starting her family, she was sending out videos to the European countries she was looking forward to visiting. She knew long in advance she was planning a family, therefore, it was extremely poor the way she handled that. Now she deserves another break? No, she needs to fulfill her commitments. And once again, I have no problem with Janet living her life, but don't release an album and put tickets on sale, then decide you want to live your life. It doesn't work like that.

No, if Janet wants to do a Vegas residency down the line, fine, but she needs to complete this tour. She's canceled too many times. US dates were postponed TWICE, now you all want her to just cancel altogether? It's been even worse for Europe. They didn't see her on the All For You Tour, Rockwitchu Tour and now you all want her to just ditch this tour to do some Vegas residency that may not even do well either? It isn't fair for fans who've been extremely loyal and patient with her the last 15 years. Janet's track record with fans this last decade has been tumultuous to say the least. The fact that she still has fans willing to support her after basically shitting on them for all these years says something. And returning the favor by basically canceling again and forcing fans to spend more money to travel and see you in one city is an awful idea and I can't believe there are fans here who would want that. Janet needs to stop being coddled and allowed to get away with putting tickets on sale and canceling without any repercussions.  You all can go to Vegas to see her if you want, won't be me. And I'm sure other fans feel the same way.

Most of the dates being released are between September and December, that's at least 5 months away. That's plenty of time for her to get in shape. She's already slimming down. Even though she's older, it won't take her that long to lose the weight, and it's not as if she's gonna be All For You weight. It'll most likely be the same weight she had last year. And it's not as if she's building a new show. It's highly likely that the choreography and staging will be the some, with some modifications here and there. She can workout and rehearse at the same time. She's always done that. If she plans on resuming the tour this year, it would be in her best interest to release dates as soon as possible for them to sell. So right now would be a good time to do so. Especially considering her name is in the news right now.

If I lived in California, I'd schedule a tour of the home, despite having no intention to buy.

Her VEVO is a disaster for an artist of her caliber and one with such a rich videography. But as Mr. Wonder stated, she doesn't care, so we shouldn't either. In regards to Call on Me, she looks gorgeous in it, but it's underwhelming considering how much money was spent on it. She's spent way less on videos that had much more going on than just beauty shots. I understand the plot she was going for, but it was extremely underdeveloped. And it being directed by Hype Williams made it even more disappointing. Then again, by 2006, he was starting to lose his touch. His 90's and early 2000's work>>>

you are funny ?...intimidates me?! Omg the hilarity that I'm reading on my phone!!.. like I said before, I'm a fan of hers.. I'm just not a fan of the excessivness that her career has ballooned into.. the over the topness.. the point of me bringing up the number of songwriters she uses is not due to her being eligible for a Grammy or not (wtf?!), but more so due to her lack of artistry and musicianship.. she's an entertainer. Singer, dancer, (not so good) actress. Point blank period.. being "involved" in something doesn't equate to being the sole creator of something bud.. 

 

It's called growth. All artists do it. The Janet of Control is not the same Janet of All For You. Janet got much more elaborate and excessive with her music and live shows as she grew as an artist. And the praise accompanied it. Stop acting like it's a problem when Beyoncé does it. And yes, you are intimidated. You're intimidated that she's only gotten bigger over the years and even more powerful. Power intimidates most to begin with, it's human nature, but a powerful woman is lethal. 

You clearly do give a fuck, which is why you responded to my comment. And I bet you'll further prove how little fucks you give by replying to this comment as well, either way I win.

The only reason Beyoncé comes across as "pretentious" to you is because she intimidates you. The only reason you have a problem with others calling her a Queen and her appearing on stage as the Queen she is, is because she intimidates you. All of this is because she. intimidates. YOU. The fact that she needs to humble herself just to make you feel better proves how fraudulent you are. Don't worry though, you aren't the only one who feels this way. Beyoncé just has that effect on people, including some on this very forum. And don't try to alter your statement by saying "the number of writers on a song." Point is, neither she or Janet solely writes their music. Writing your own music is not a prerequisite for getting a Grammy, nor does solely writing your music suddenly make your music better. If that were the case, Aretha Franklin wouldn't have the 18 grammies that she has. The irony of all of this is you're calling Beyoncé pretentious, when you're the one who looks pretentious by mentioning the number of writers Beyoncé has on her songs and trying to discredit her for it. At the end of the day, Beyoncé is involved in the creation of all her music and she makes good music, which is the most important thing.

And FYI, just because it's an opinion, it doesn't absolve it from being flawed. Case in Point.

She has to humble herself to make him feel better because he feels inferior.

If you actually watched the performance you'd know she didn't smile because she was singing two songs about a relationship that was strained and needed resolve. Why would she smile? And if you actually paid attention to the performance, you'd see that she was lamenting a relationship through spoken word and in the end she did smile because she reached a resolution. That was the point of the performance and album. When a relationship is strained, work to fix it. When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade. The performance is by far one of her best in storytelling. And I don't see why people or Beyoncé thinking she's a queen bothers you so much. For some, calling yourself a queen is self-empowering. Maybe you should compliment yourself seeing as how self-conscious you appear toward others receiving praise. Saying Beyoncé hasn't written a song by herself is funny considering you're on a Janet forum, (and no, Black Cat was not solely written by Janet.) Adele also has producers for all of her songs, therefore she has not solely written anything by herself either. That still doesn't stop any of them from being greats artists. Criticizing Beyoncé for not singing live is also laughable coming from a Janet fan, as well as considering the fact that Adele did sing live last night and we all saw how that went. Beyoncé can wipe the floor with Adele vocally, without question. And you paying to see someone you don't consider a great artist not once, but TWICE is foolish on your part and completely dismantles your already flawed logic.

And your logic suggests that Adele will win simply because it sold the most, when history shows that isn't always the case. Case in Point: Beck.

But you're not completely right. There are numerous instances of albums winning Album of the Year without being big sellers. And let's not act like majority of the albums that have won Album of the Year weren't critically-acclaimed.

She just keeps proving why she's the greatest performer of her generation.

Yeah, that's why Beck won AOTY in 2015, because his album was so popular.

Lemonade has sold 2.5 million worldwide. Your figures are US sales. 20 Y.O. didn't even sell 700k in the US, and definitely not 1.5 million worldwide. And comparing an album selling 1.5 million in 2006 to one selling the same amount in 2016 is foolish. 2006 was a completely different sales climate and before digital and streaming took over. 1.5 million is a flop for someone as big as Janet and an even bigger one considering most of her contemporaries were selling much more. Context is key.

Then why aren't threads made on here when other celebs do pregnancy shoots? Do you all love those or something? Why is it that when Beyoncé does it, it warrants a thread in the main discussion? This is why you all look like haters. This has never been done with any other celeb, yet it's done with Beyoncé.

So this is just about Beyoncé promoting Beyoncé? Ok. With that established, all artists promote themselves, including Janet. So if that's tacky, all artists are tacky.

For one, you don't know how Blue felt during that shoot. Secondly, Blue is a child. She has no say in where or how she takes pics. Just like when you were a child and your mom made you take pics and you did so with no questions asked. Stop using Blue as a scapegoat. You know her being in that shoot isn't the problem you all are having. You all just don't like Beyoncé and you just hate whenever she gets attention that isn't negative, which is most of the time. And what product is Beyoncé promoting? Her unborn twins are not a product. Janet, on the other hand, was promoting a product when she did those spreads, 20 Y.O. Judging by the sales, it didn't help much, but that's neither here nor there.

So basically you're upset that Beyoncé's photo has gotten a great reception and lots of attention? Got it.

No, 20 Y.O.'s pics were more tacky and served no purpose. She was just flaunting her body because she wanted to sell sex and wasn't shaped like a minivan like she was the year prior. Nude pregnancy shoot have been around for ages and there is nothing wrong with a pregnant woman showing her nude body. And you have to be completely naive to think Blue hasn't seen her mother nude hundreds of times. She sucked on her breast for god's sake. You act as if Blue will be traumatized by this or something. It's extremely hypocritical for Janet fans to object to a woman showing her body, given the fact that your favorite artist was blacklisted for a naked body part. And this hypocrisy on Superbowl Sunday makes it even more laughable.

The hypocrisy is real. Beyoncé doing this pregnancy shoot is tacky, yet Janet fans don't say the same of those 20 Y.O. magazine spreads of her basically nude.

You really made a whole thread in the "All About Janet" section of the forum to say why you don't like a pregnancy photo of another artist? 

This was for his shelved Trojans album and it was recorded between 1991-1993. So after Rhythm Nation and before janet.

Yeah, the album should've ended at Special. 

A true Queen and Legend in the making!

Takin' A Chance, Something in Common, Queen of the Night, Count on Me, Whatchulookinat, I Got You, I Didn't Know My Own Strength and Like I Never Left. And I love how you altered your question to "hits." In any event, I'll oblige. Count on Me reached #8 on the Hot 100.

And I wasn't defending anything, because there was nothing that needed defending. Every human being has an ego. Including you and me. You can't denounce someone for having the same thing you do.