BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Look I know that this topic is ancient as fuck! But I would just like to know how many of you believe the legend. I was on another site and they were discussing a rumor that El Debarge might be the father of singer Pebbles youngest kid. Mama D who is the Debarges mother, actually wrote a letter to the site's owner claiming that El was in fact this young man's father. So naturally someone there bought up the fact that she did the same thing in the Janet and James situation for years. I for one do believe that Janet was pregnant by James. However I do not believe a child exist. I believe that Janet either had a miscarriage later on in her pregnancy (due to all of the stress put onto her by her family and James) or she had a stillborn. Janet being the very private person that she is would rather people speculate about her having a secret kid then to come out and say what really happened. Again I know that this topic has been discussed multiple times, but I would really like to know what you all think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Look I know that this topic is ancient as fuck! But I would just like to know how many of you believe the legend. I was on another site and they were discussing a rumor that El Debarge might be the father of singer Pebbles youngest kid. Mama D who is the Debarges mother actually wrote a letter to the sites owner claiming that El was in fact this young man's father. So naturally someone there bought up the fact that she did the same thing in the Janet and James situation for years. I for one do believe that Janet was pregnant by James. However I do not believe a child exist. I believe that Janet either had a miscarriage later on in her pregnancy (due to all of the stress put onto her by her family and James) or she had a stillborn. Janet being the private person that she is would rather people speculate about her having a secret kid then to come out and say what really happened. Again I know that this topic has been discussed multiple times, but I would really like to know what you all think. We're on the same page with that belief 1 of the DeBarge sisters (theres only 2, might've been Bunny) pretty much confirmed that. But I don't exactly cling to that 1 either cause tho that 1 is more likely, it's alot more emotional than having a secret child thus she'd have a legit reason to keep that ordeal quiet like so many women in our every day lives do. But that secret daughter bullshit..... lol. I like to say I'll never say I'm 100% on that because it's impossible to be unless you are Janet or James, but most importantly Janet. But I'd say I'm maybe 80% sure (friends with people who some are close to the fam and some were at 1 point in time), Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 I just don't believe that you could hide a person for that long, especially being a Jackson and knowing that this rumor is out here. Nope I just don't believe it. Did Bunny actually say that she thinks Janet had a miscarriage or stillborn? And you are friends with people who know of this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Same here, especially Janet (Rebbie I can see having a secret kid easily, even LaToya in the late 70s), but Janet was working all those years in the 80's doing SOMETHING at least so she's easy to track and vouche for. So for the non-fans/casual fans who either don't know she was public every year or forgot, they don't consider that, they act like she went from Good Times to DeBarge to Control (NO LIE someone in all seriousness had no idea she did Different Strokes, Fame, The Love Boat and 2 albums/eras all before Control..........) Bunny said she had a abortion and was forced into having 1 by Joe 1 of my old friends (lost touch with him) was 1 of Joes personal limo driver from 83-86, he pretty much vouched for the fact that he controlled Janet & Toya like they were pets, and that anything he wanted them to do they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Same here, especially Janet (Rebbie I can see having a secret kid easily, even LaToya in the late 70s), but Janet was working all those years in the 80's doing SOMETHING at least so she's easy to track and vouche for. So for the non-fans/casual fans who either don't know she was public every year or forgot, they don't consider that, they act like she went from Good Times to DeBarge to Control (NO LIE someone in all seriousness had no idea she did Different Strokes, Fame, The Love Boat and 2 albums/eras all before Control..........) Bunny said she had a abortion and was forced into having 1 by Joe 1 of my old friends (lost touch with him) was 1 of Joes personal limo driver from 83-86, he pretty much vouched for the fact that he controlled Janet & Toya like they were pets, and that anything he wanted them to do they did. That bastard Joe did some file shit to his children. If he forced her to get an abortion his ass should be stoned. I always believed that this particular situation was apart of the reason that Janet fell into that deep depression in the 90's. She didn't have time to deal with that issue because everybody around her was pushing her to become the next big Jackson star. It caught up with her in the 90's and she had to face it head on, thus birthing the Velvet Rope album. I think this is also the reason she has yet to have children. She's still dealing with it internally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Oh yea, besides the guy I'm talking about I know alot of people who've met Joe even just once, and the general gist (from the ones who met him in the 70's-80's especially) he was a MEAN guy, like I asked the guy who drove his limo "did any of the kids have egos or attitude problems toward you or any of the employee's" and he said it wasn't a regular thing but some did, but Joe was the worst, even tho he grew to like him. You know what I never thought about that, that's very much a possibility, especially about her not having kids yet, and I always did find it interesting how she says she went from wanting alot of kids as a kid and teen, to not wanting kids at all, and then finally in the mid-late 00's, there might be something there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yeah! I think that's more likely than the secret kid thing. That abortion could have resulted in her not being able to conceive a child too that's if that's what happened. A couple of years ago I came across a Wendy Williams interview where she was interviewing Chico Debarge and she asked him about this and he said that James told him that Janet was about 5months pregnant when they broke up. Chico stated that he didn't think that they performed late-term abortions in the 80's and Wendy said well if you had Jackson money you could get it done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yeah! I think that's more likely than the secret kid thing. That abortion could have resulted in her not being able to conceive a child too that's if that's what happened. A couple of years ago I came across a Wendy Williams interview where she was interviewing Chico Debarge and she asked him about this and he said that James told him that Janet was about 5months pregnant when they broke up. Chico stated that he didn't think that they performed late-term abortions in the 80's and Wendy said well if you had Jackson money you could get it done. OMG I HEARD THAT INTERVIEW TOO A LONG TIME AGO (might be up on Youtube now), but she's rightthat Jackson money could see to that being done, or even if she did actually have a kid, why the hell not put it up for adoption and have NOTHING to do with it why go through alllll the years of clever planning & secrecy to deny this persons existance to the world, that theory just...ugh...I swear its the non fans & the casual fans keeping that shit alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utopia Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yes because I AM that child. Yall not believing in my existence is offensive to me . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yeah! I heard that interview on YouTube although I don't know if it is still up. But yeah its usually the non-fans are causal fans that believe this. It just seems like it would be to much work to keep a secret like this going. Could you imagine if their was a Jackson/Debarge baby walking around and the world actually knew about it. This Mama D would be on cloud 9. Her ass would have a different story every week about Janet. She would be rich from selling these stories to the tabloids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I wouldn't be surprised if she does. But putting together the pieces with things she's said in different interviews, I don't think she does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 She doesn't have a child but I do believe she either had an abortion or miscarriage Papa Joe saved her career Which may be the reason behind her depression in the late 1990s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 She doesn't have a child but I do believe she either had an abortion or miscarriage Papa Joe saved her career Which may be the reason behind her depression in the late 1990s But was him saving her career worth maybe killing her child. Do you not believe that she would have had a stellar career had she had that child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 But was him saving her career worth maybe killing her child. Do you not believe that she would have had a stellar career had she had that child. Yes. Everything happens for a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSimba Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Of course, her child's at Rebbie's. j/p lol Well she's stated that she hoped to change James for the better when they married. Personally I doubt they had a child together. They weren't together long, and I think she would've rather waited until he sobered up (which he didn't, so she moved on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Of course, her child's at Rebbie's. j/p lol Well she's stated that she hoped to change James for the better when they married. Personally I doubt they had a child together. They weren't together long, and I think she would've rather waited until he sobered up (which he didn't, so she moved on). It doesn't matter that they weren't together for very long, two people can make a baby on a one-night stand. James was 19 and Janet was16 when they started dating, that's a good 3 year there. Thats plenty of time to produce a baby. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSimba Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 It doesn't matter that they weren't together for very long, two people can make a baby on a one-night stand. James was 19 and Janet was16 when they started dating, that's a good 3 year there. Thats plenty of time to produce a baby. Sure I acknowledge the possibility, but I still don't think she had one at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedEleganceâ„¢ Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yes. Always have and I was nearly run off the old board for saying so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasSad Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yeah! I think that's more likely than the secret kid thing. That abortion could have resulted in her not being able to conceive a child too that's if that's what happened. A couple of years ago I came across a Wendy Williams interview where she was interviewing Chico Debarge and she asked him about this and he said that James told him that Janet was about 5months pregnant when they broke up. Chico stated that he didn't think that they performed late-term abortions in the 80's and Wendy said well if you had Jackson money you could get it done. I don't believe anything that comes out of any debarges mouth especially Chico. Its not unusual for young female artists in their prime to get abortions though so If her dad didn't make them someone in the industry would have. Just like Chilli, Raven Symone Beyonce etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Wow Raven Symons had an abortion? I never heard that before. I thought that she was a lesbian. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackCat1989 Posted February 22, 2014 Author Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yes. Always have and I was nearly run off the old board for saying so. Damn! They got that mad at you for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DasSad Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 Wow Raven Symons had an abortion? I never heard that before. I thought that she was a lesbian. That was a rumor that was out when she was doing thats so Raven. Not sure if it was legit or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 23, 2014 Share Posted February 23, 2014 NO I dont.....I believe what Janet has or hasnt done in her personal life is ......simply her personal life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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