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I'm a fan... Not a blind follower.. I am able to realize and a recognize when people I admire make mistakes.. I don't make excuses for them.. MJ was the leader of his own public demise, that much I do understand.. What I don't understand is how you can be so unable to pull away your Janet fan goggles and see things from an objective point of view.. if that's something you're unable to do, then yes you are clearly a sheep... Baaahh!!

she is an actress!! Lol and those "rumors" about her crying.....merely rumors.. The point was to get people to talk, but not in a bashing way... It backfired, plain and simple.. Even Justin admitted the idea wasn't thought out carefully and it was dumb...

that photo is the smoking gun bruh.. There is clearly no other bra in that cup ... You are reeeaching with that one jerry... look, Janet messed up.. And she lied about it to save her ass, unsuccessfully.. Sure she's bounced back in a lot of ways, but her career never got back on track, and it was her very own doing.. Career suicide.. and Jerry it is clear to me that, like Norman, you are nothing more than a sheep with fat blinders on so you don't see the true facts objectively.. At least explain what the point of showcasing her bra would've been (if that was really what was meant to happen) to 100mil viewers... Does that scenario make anymore type of sense..?!

thank you for understanding my point of view... and yes you're right, it probably should've gone into the venting thread..

Btw I don't give a fuck about what she did at the Super Bowl.. Sure it was a dumb ideas by whoever came up with it.. But remember this occurred about 5-6 months after the Britney/Madonna/Christina kiss at the VMAs (when they shoved the camera in Justin's face to get his reaction the moment it happened)... Clearly this was a pre-orchestrated stint to try and top Madonna and it failed miserably.. Whoever came up with that stunt should've been fired.. And Janet did not help herself one bit in the months to follow by avoiding the topic as much as possible.. And even when she did talk about it, she was even more vague than she's been just in the last 3 months.. She could've saved her career, but she chose not to.. And she's been dealing with the aftermath ever since unfortunately.. my point is, you can be a Stan of a fan and still understand that Janet made mistakes in her career and lied about them ("I lived through my mistakes, it's just a part of growing")...

Try again jerry! The official statement was that there was meant to be a red bra left.. Not a black bra.. And even if it was meant to be a bra left there (in any color) wtf was the point of doing that..?! Don't u think that stunt alone would've been enough to tarnish her career..whether there was a bra left in place or not..? (At least it would be enough for her to receive some sort of backlash) Plus wouldn't have her nipple shield most likely shone through..?!

keep ya blinders up Norman! Remember, Janet never lies!

I wasn't born in the 70's either and im not surprised that when the truth is staring you in the face that you just rather wipe it away than be honest with yourself...keep on living that sheep life ?

you obviously never got to experience a full Janet Jackson era.. AFY was fine but still not much compared to the 90's Janet... And it's really cute how you buy into her lame excuse at trying to save face and lie about there being a red bra underneath her SB outfit (what would the point of that be anyway..?? Show the world one boob but still covered by a red bra..???) look at this pic and tell me u still believe that nonsense.. But you will still most likely keep your blinders up like the good sheep you are.. ? this was fucking comedy!!

that actually explains a lot.. I also have to remind myself that Norm is still in his 20's and I'm already well into my 30's.. I remember a lot of "Janet" all the way back to when the RN video was first released and I asked my mom who she was, and when she told me she was Mike's sister I was immediately a fan.. Thanks for putting things into perspective for me.. That's that shit I like.. ??

I. Can't. Wait!

of course she exposed herself on purpose! it astounds me for how intelligent you make yourself appear how you simply buy into the poor, poor excuse she gave regarding the red bra underneath.. She made that huge mistake and it wiped out her entire career, as we knew it, from that moment forward..

That about sums it up doesn't it, folks? But you still can't admit that Janet knowingly lied about her marriage to Rene..? Even when it was understandable you can't admit that she is and admitted liar..? And why does it matter whose idea it was..?? Lol ...and then to read that you actually believe her and her team's reactionary statement "explaining" why the SB happened..! Uhhhh, you do know that there was never any red bra under the black piece... That was photographically disproven.. In other words, a bold-faced lie.. Even die-hard fans can accept that the stunt she pulled was out of character for her, yet clearly pre-orchestrated.. The way you're trying to explain yourself sends the exact opposite message.. You've clearly proven yourself to be the type of person who will never cite Janet for any type of misstep she may have, or wrong career choice she may take, or show yourself to be anything other than someone with big ol' blinders on.. You're opinions can be deemed null in void because you will never even be able to try and see things from a unbiased point of view, as opposed to yours, which you've stated several times is the only thing you care about.. And that's really too bad, because it's obvious you're very passionate about the subject.. And you've somehow made yourself out to be Janet's "knight in shining armor".. That tells me that with all the responsibility of "convincing others" that you take upon yourself, maybe, in a way, you've been trying to convince yourself this whole time that everything you say is true... Fake it til ya make it, eh..! ???

Yes one of the few stand-out tracks on that album!

Some fans feel fortunate that they have this here messageboard as a platform to air some of their grievances they maybe feel are worth speaking to other fans about.. It's not that crazy of an idea.. Just as I have a right to speak my mind (so long as it falls in the rules of this forum), you also have the right to not click on any forum you deem below your own opinion, let alone type an essay as a reply.. i don't understand how you don't understand.. so is she, or isn't she an admitted liar about her marriage to Rene? What does it being Rene's idea (if true) have anything to do with the fact that she lied about that...? And remember, I'm not saying she was wrong for doing so in that scenario.. also, you feel that since Janet said it was an "accident" that she told the truth about the SB?? Justin did not accidentally rip her breastplate/cup off.. Calling it an "accident" is not the truth, be real bruh.. As for the "etc"... I do recall her saying that she was suffering from "vertigo" in 2008.. Lots of shows postponed and later cancelled.. You believe she had vertigo back then..? and I totally forgot about what she said to fans in 2014, but still that's understandable.. She truly may not have even been working on the album at the time..

You guys, I don't think it's that radical to question this whole "planning a family" situation.. I love Janet and have done so since I first saw the RN video when I was 6 years old.. But Janet is an admitted liar.. Not that she lies to be malicious, but she has lied about several things in the past (marriage to Rene, Super Bowl, etc).. For someone as private as she is, she may very well believe that since nobody knows hardly anything about her current private life, that she could just claim to be "planning a family" (and really what does that even mean...?) and get out of doing the tour for at least another year, and instead of getting ridiculed, she'll get praise and congratulations!! Way to take a move right out of Mike's old playbook (and I looove Mike, folks!!).. I just don't buy the family excuse she's given.. Put it this way.. If 2 years from now she still hasn't returned to touring/performing, and there has never been any type of confirmation that she's a parent (pics, statements, tweets from her family, etc), will anyone still be as big of a fan as they are now..? And that's an honest question.. Of course she's entitled to live her life the way she sees fit, there's no denying that.. But at the very least, if in the near future there's no other sign from her about having the family she claimed she and her husband were planning, would that at least leave a bad taste in your mouth regarding the support you have shown her during this time..? And I'll happily eat crow if in a few months time we spot some TMZ pics or videos showing a full-on pregnant Janet with baby bump and errthang... But for now the question remains..

Nevermind...

I'd agree with that.. There are def looney MJ fans out there, just as there are nutjob Janet fans too.. I think that Mike's crazy fans are more vocal than Janet's though, simply because the size of his fan base dwarfs the size of hers by a light year..

I'd agree with that then... Well said bruh..

the fact that it was you that even brought up anything to do with the mess he endured shows that it was only you whose mind was on the subject.. An insinuation of an instigator bruh.. ?

sure I agree with most of your points.. And like I said, Control was still the shit! Great overall album.. But I can't say that I feel Control "shaped the music industry" once it was released.. It shaped Janet's career from that moment forward, no doubt.. But up until its release, and even years before it, there were innumerable "feminist anthemic" hit songs.. Off the top of my head Chaka Khan comes to mind (I'm Every Woman), Gladys Knight (I Will Survive), Aretha Franklin (Respect) and etc and so on.. Sure, Control hit more of the younger generation at that time because Janet was young (like the black Taylor Swift of the mid-80's), but out of all of Janet's best albums, RN1814, TVR, Unbreakable and even janet. (even with all its filler tracks) would be a better candidate for AOTY.....imo

great songs, of course, but the subject matter on a lot of those tracks are not substantial enough to warrant such blanket praise that would come with an AOTY year win (or even nomination).. Songs like Control, PP, and even LWA could've been featured on RN1814 and pretty much fit the scope of the entire project.. But songs like Nasty (where she's singing about gross men) or WHYDFML (where she sings about not going to out to dinner anymore) don't sound like material worthy of such recognition.. in fact, I didn't even know that Control was even nominated for that category.. And if you had said only one album of hers had ever been nominated for AOTY, I would've easily presumed it to have been RN1814... An album that showed much more meaningful substance for an entire generation than the Control album did.. not that Control isn't the shit, cuz it is..

Idk.. Control ain't even AOTY-worthy imo.. Now RN1814 or TVR (or hell, even Unbreakable) are all AOTY-worthy..