Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 This isn't 20 years ago though. This is today where this sort of thing is OK now. As for the bold...isn't that what the Parental Advisory label is for on her Loud CD (and any CD that has 'explicit' content). So parents can make an informed choice as to whether or not to buy it when their kid wants the CD. Putting all the blame on a celebrity is bullshit. The parents have the biggest responsibility in what they expose their children too. Like I said before if S&M comes on TV and you don't want your child to watch it then switch the fucking set off. All it takes is for the parent to get off their ass and press the button. Or press the button on the remote. It's easily done. You can block any channel through the parental controls menu. Kids are going to screw up in some form or other. It's not Rihannas (or any celebs) fault. It's called life. If kids see stuff in school (like we all did as teenagers) then that's something else. When you (not you Paul...just people in general) smoked your first cigarette or your first weed joint or sniffed your first bit of cocaine...was 50 Cent or the other rappers to blame? Was it because you saw it on TV? It's always a damned if you do damned if you don't situation with Rihanna. She did S&M and got criticised for being too sexual (fair enough). She did Man Down where she shot someone that tried raping her. Here's what she said about the video “We needed to go back to why it happened, because obviously she’s not a cold-blooded killer. It had to be something so offensive, and we decided to hone in on a very serious matter that people are afraid to address, especially if you’ve been victimized in this scenario.” She was actually trying to educate on something and she STILL got criticized. :clapping: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Whatever Rihanna, Katy Perry, Beyonce, Gaga and co are doing today...it was only made possible by the original actual boundary pushers. Janet and Madonna. So if these new chicks are 'hoe-ing' themselves, are Janet and Madonna to blame? Because if Rihanna and co are to blame for todays kids being exposed to sluttery then you're indirectly saying Janet and Madonna are to blame too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Whatever Rihanna, Katy Perry, Beyonce, Gaga and co are doing today...it was only made possible by the original actual boundary pushers. Janet and Madonna. So if these new chicks are 'hoe-ing' themselves, are Janet and Madonna to blame? Because if Rihanna and co are to blame for todays kids being exposed to sluttery then you're indirectly saying Janet and Madonna are to blame too. ever last bitch that had to go butt naked to go vinyl I love muh Bu Bear.......today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Bu, a lot of things are ok now which would have been unheard of 10, 15 yrs ago. That's the point. Just because something is the norm doesn't make it good or right. Even if you didn't have a tv and sheltered your child completely, it will still go to school with other kids who aren't monitored and still be influenced. Rihanna is a role model whether she likes it or not. No we can't go back 20 years, but if people stop putting the responsibility solely onto parents and actually onto the artists and record companies, maybe things will stop going on a downward spiral and we won't have to be worried that in 20 more years some other artist won't be able to be seen spreading her pussy flaps at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon in the name of artistic expression. aint no money in saving the world money is in sex and giving it to these bitches out here, so hit that pole wiggle dat ass and get dem dollas while everything still plump and upright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I'm not giving Janet or madonna a pass - madonna especially, she's probably the worst. But at least Janet kept it classy for the most part, and to be fair she went too far at times and has lost a lot of fans because of it. Janet was praised because she kept her clothes on, and when she showed some sexuality she was celebrated because she was classy. When she pulled her tit out and started getting more and more graphic she suffered commercially because the people of our age and older thought she was lowering herself, and the kids don't wantvto hear about someone their mothers age sucking on dick. Janet at her best is the fun carefree pop'n'b Janet of escapade, alright, TA, IGL even AFY, which was risqué but not nasty. Not many people are here for warmth Janet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Bu, a lot of things are ok now which would have been unheard of 10, 15 yrs ago. That's the point. Just because something is the norm doesn't make it good or right. Even if you didn't have a tv and sheltered your child completely, it will still go to school with other kids who aren't monitored and still be influenced. Rihanna is a role model whether she likes it or not. No we can't go back 20 years, but if people stop putting the responsibility solely onto parents and actually onto the artists and record companies, maybe things will stop going on a downward spiral and we won't have to be worried that in 20 more years some other artist won't be able to be seen spreading her pussy flaps at 3pm on a Saturday afternoon in the name of artistic expression. Parents are responsible for the values they put in their children. If Rihanna or someone comes along and does something that conflicts with those values then you do what jbailey said. Tell your child this is wrong, or tell the child that it's another way of living, one that that parent does not agree with. YOU might not like what these artists are doing but other parents don't mind. It's called having an open mind. We can't shield kids from every dangerous thing out there when they leave the house but you can shield them from shit IN the house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I never cared for the excuse Janet gave for why her music content went all sex, she gone say Ive already covered everything on 20YO Im like so that means you stay on sex? He gets head next song he gives it? Gurl please that's what's "going on in your life at the moment"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 aint no money in saving the world money is in sex and giving it to these bitches out here, so hit that pole wiggle dat ass and get dem dollas while everything still plump and upright Ok so ur being retarded today so I'm not discussing this with you anymore. You know what you typed is bullshit. Would you take a 10 ur old to a lap dancing club? No. So why should similar imagery be allowed to be pumped through our tv sets during the day when kids can easily see it? (thats rhetorical, I don't need an answer because I'm right) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Parents are responsible for the values they put in their children. If Rihanna or someone comes along and does something that conflicts with those values then you do what jbailey said. Tell your child this is wrong, or tell the child that it's another way of living, one that that parent does not agree with. YOU might not like what these artists are doing but other parents don't mind. It's called having an open mind. We can't shield kids from every dangerous thing out there when they leave the house but you can shield them from shit IN the house. exactly and you tell your kids WHY you don't just say that's wrong you show them why, look she gets cheated on, treated badly, called dirty names, cause she don't respect herself enough to say no this is not how I want the world to see me. I always said I could come up with an internet website about sex and maybe make millions, BUT I also said to myself I wouldn't want THAT to be my legacy no matter how much money is involved. You teach your kids values and why they exist, you show your kids what happens when those values are not there. See look she on her third baby daddy, and he don't give a fuck about none of them babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ok so ur being retarded today so I'm not discussing this with you anymore. You know what you typed is bullshit. Would you take a 10 ur old to a lap dancing club? No. So why should similar imagery be allowed to be pumped through our tv sets during the day when kids can easily see it? (thats rhetorical, I don't need an answer because I'm right) where's the part where you were finished? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrietta. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Seems like it to a lot of people in here lol Damn shame yes, because RiRi aint no fucking role model she's a ho sanging on stage for dollas a few steps up from Ciara because her music production is better so they don't sell her shit on extra large pop lids at Mickey Dee's. All im saying is if your child believes RiRi or Britney Spears is someone to be and look up to, you have failed as a parent. My daughter would know that's a ho, she gets treated like one and her foehead is perfect foe nutting on. Im not that my daddy told me that a man is supposed to treat me like the lady I am and that TV is fake as fuck and that bitch gets bitten by dudes and stays with them she has no respect for herself, that's not how my daddy raised me. To a certain extent Rihanna IS a role model. And yall act like kids still won't find a way to listen to and hear what they want. I don't know what planet yall are living on, but kids are truly intelligent and more tech savvy compared to when we were kids. So regardless of what the parents are telling them, they're going to find out what's what. At the end of the day, it was dumb for Rihanna to go off just because SHE can't accept the fact that kids look up to her...Point, blank, period Was Erykah Badu a hoe when she stripped down for Window Seat? No but she should have had common sense to NOT do it in an area when you could visibly see kids And going off what Paul said, should parents should keep their kids inside since Erykah wanted to play stripper outside to have a controversial video? I know what the answer is...let's see if yall do. I don't give a fuck if she does porno she's not someone my daughter would look up to, maybe down on. Because you don't agree that kids shouldn't look up to her doesn't mean they aren't Whatever Rihanna, Katy Perry, Beyonce, Gaga and co are doing today...it was only made possible by the original actual boundary pushers. Janet and Madonna. So if these new chicks are 'hoe-ing' themselves, are Janet and Madonna to blame? Because if Rihanna and co are to blame for todays kids being exposed to sluttery then you're indirectly saying Janet and Madonna are to blame too. As Janet said, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Ok so ur being retarded today so I'm not discussing this with you anymore. You know what you typed is bullshit. Would you take a 10 ur old to a lap dancing club? No. So why should similar imagery be allowed to be pumped through our tv sets during the day when kids can easily see it? (thats rhetorical, I don't need an answer because I'm right) you always swear you right, and you have good sense Paul, my thing is you cannot change the ways of this world, you can manage your home to the best of your ability, my question to you is how do you suppose parent deal with RiRi, and all them other chicks then? You already know the money is in being a ho, and believe it or not that post I made was serious, why? because it was real, it's all about staying in yo lane, if you a ho a pole is in your lane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 You are both really dim if you actually believe that a parent can control a child's morality and values completely. They go into a wider world. They are influenced by their peers. They are influenced by media. You can tell them a million times that only slutty girls wear short clothes and sleep with boys, but if that's all they see on tv, and all their friends are doing it, and in their minds successful because of it then they are going to question your values. And maybe do the same. Kids aren't robots. The answer here is to question these so called role models, not put the blame on parents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrietta. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 I never cared for the excuse Janet gave for why her music content went all sex, she gone say Ive already covered everything on 20YO Im like so that means you stay on sex? He gets head next song he gives it? Gurl please that's what's "going on in your life at the moment"? Janet wasn't strictly just sex. If that's the case, 20 Y.O. would have been all about sex and it wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Damn shame To a certain extent Rihanna IS a role model. And yall act like kids still won't find a way to listen to and hear what they want. I don't know what planet yall are living on, but kids are truly intelligent and more tech savvy compared to when we were kids. So regardless of what the parents are telling them, they're going to find out what's what. At the end of the day, it was dumb for Rihanna to go off just because SHE can't accept the fact that kids look up to her...Point, blank, period No but she should have had common sense to NOT do it in an area when you could visibly see kids And going off what Paul said, should parents should keep their kids inside since Erykah wanted to play stripper outside to have a controversial video? I know what the answer is...let's see if yall do. Because you don't agree that kids shouldn't look up to her doesn't mean they aren't As Janet said, now there's a compelling argument, but that still brings me back to what were the foundations you raised your child on? If they are drawn into this culture of sex sells than maybe your parenting wasn't so hot. At best my daughter could watch that bitch, hear her music and at the end of the day say that's not me fuck that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Janet wasn't strictly just sex. If that's the case, 20 Y.O. would have been all about sex and it wasn't. I was referring to the intro on 20YO and specifically the album Damita Jo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 You are both really dim if you actually believe that a parent can control a child's morality and values completely. They go into a wider world. They are influenced by their peers. They are influenced by media. You can tell them a million times that only slutty girls wear short clothes and sleep with boys, but if that's all they see on tv, and all their friends are doing it, and in their minds successful because of it then they are going to question your values. And maybe do the same. Kids aren't robots. The answer here is to question these so called role models, not put the blame on parents as a parent you not there every step of the way? You know your kids will see some shit be exposed to some shit, but let's take this to another level, I see dudes at a party they doing coke, they doing meth, why don't I? why don't you? At what point do you begin to think for yo fucking self? Or are we all puppets to the media? If that's the case I want fangs and at least three hot male co-stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 You are both really dim if you actually believe that a parent can control a child's morality and values completely. They go into a wider world. They are influenced by their peers. They are influenced by media. You can tell them a million times that only slutty girls wear short clothes and sleep with boys, but if that's all they see on tv, and all their friends are doing it, and in their minds successful because of it then they are going to question your values. And maybe do the same. Kids aren't robots. The answer here is to question these so called role models, not put the blame on parents Parents can set the standard and should what happens after happens but most parents do their best. My mother always hated drugs, hated pot even, she would complain about folks she knew that smoked the shit and she didn't now I never thought anything was wrong with pot but hey it is what it is, at this point Paul you wanna go half on a baby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 And further more, your attitudes are the reason WHY people like Rihanna can do what they like without having to accept responsibility, and why they will continue to do more and more. You are the types that will sit there crying when your 14 year old daughter thinks it's cool to have a bondage type gang bang and wonder where you went wrong,sobbing into a box of cookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 So what Henry and Paul are saying is their daughter will be hoes? No matter what? Im fucking lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 And further more, your attitudes are the reason WHY people like Rihanna can do what they like without having to accept responsibility, and why they will continue to do more and more. You are the types that will sit there crying when your 14 year old daughter thinks it's cool to have a bondage type gang bang and wonder where you went wrong,sobbing into a box of cookies. that's not true Paul you know better than that, Im saying if my child thinks RiRi sets the standard I have already fucked up well before the video is on xtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrietta. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Paul is preaching the truth. now there's a compelling argument, but that still brings me back to what were the foundations you raised your child on? If they are drawn into this culture of sex sells than maybe your parenting wasn't so hot. At best my daughter could watch that bitch, hear her music and at the end of the day say that's not me fuck that Right because every single person followed exactly what their parents tried to teach them throughout life. It seems like you'd have the daughter that would be sneaking out the house while you're sleep. I was referring to the intro on 20YO and specifically the album Damita Jo Damita Jo wasn't strictly all sex either. There interludes aren't, "Damita Jo", "My Baby", "Island Life", "R&B Junkie", "I Want You", "Truly", "Thinkin' 'Bout My Ex", "SloLove"...the album is more about love than "fuck my brains out" even though there are sexual tracks on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Oh I get it, so RiRi does what? Stop being a ho let her record sales slide so your child could be less of a ho too? Im not following this form of logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrietta. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 So what Henry and Paul are saying is their daughter will be hoes? No matter what? Im fucking lost How did you get that from me saying Rihanna should accept the fact that to a certain point that she's viewed as a role model? If anything, it would be your daughter running loose after dark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrietta. Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 Oh I get it, so RiRi does what? Stop being a ho let her record sales slide so your child could be less of a ho too? Im not following this form of logic Going off on wild tangents doesn't make you right either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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