ThatOtherFan

This.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!

I hate you. Isn't the tea that JayZ and Blue Ivy are presenting her the award?

As a Beyonce stan... I wouldn't come for anyone about stealing, or being "inspired"

Happy belated birthday!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!

What the fuck is this? Nicki, girl.....

Obviously pressed because you're being proved wrong in this thread. Just admit that we were right.

It doesn't take Janet long to drop the pounds when she wants to. And she only needs to lose like 10-15lbs to be "fighting shape" You act like she's 50 lbs overweight.

I haven't found a lie yet.

I went there and looked through the thread. A lot of it was positive to semi-positive. lol Some aren't fans but still defended her and feel her contribution to music should be respected. It's a Prince forum though. A lot of his stans hate Janet simply because of the lowkey shade he's thrown in the past. Which had more to do with the fact that he was mad at Jimmy and Terry, not Janet.

Prue >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Queen LEGENDtoya just annihilated the game and y'all are hating!

If someone says "I wrote this song for all for my ladies", that implies the lyrics and overall the concept of the song. Not that you supposedly added harmonies and melodies that a song that was basically done before you got it. Simply don't say that you wrote the song. Especially if you aren't in an environment where you can break down your actual contribution to said song. That's her fault. I said "take your pick" because I remember how the controversy started (Neyo contradicting what Beyonce said), but I didn't remember the specifics other than Beyonce saying she wrote the song. The Billboard list and Ascap don't ask for a distinction between who did what. It doesn't speak to her abilities as a songwriter. Therefore, it can't be used as proof of her abilities as songwriter. Especially, if the few times we have gotten a breakdown of what she actually contributed ("Irreplaceable" and the "Listen" Oscar situation), it's the least out of everyone involved and just what she contributed is debatable. Going back to my original point, sometimes you gotta know when to cut your losses and move on. Defending her songwriting ability, given what is known and the rumors circulating, it's just one of those things I wouldn't touch as a stan. lol I always talk sense, Rochester!

That's how the controversy started because she said she wrote "Irreplaceable" (whether she went in depth about it or not) and Neyo contradicted that. If memory serves, she talked about her inspiration behind penning the song (If not that, she said she wrote the song. Take your pick). I don't think there would be an issue if she said "I helped with harmonies and melodies on "Irreplaceable". That is part of songwriting and composition, but not writing a song in it's entirely. Especially concerning a song basically fully written before you even touch it. That's exactly why I pointed out the situation with "Listen". The Oscars, unlike the Billboard list and ASCAP, care about the "percentages" the credit writers contribute. If she actually contributed something significant she would have qualified as one of the three writers nominated. That leads back to my original point about Billboard and ASCAP. They honor popular songs and it's credited writers. No distinction is given or criteria made about what the credited writers actually contributed. Hence, it does not speak to Beyonce's abilities as a writer, because as with Listen, it could be a situation where she is a credited writer with the "lowest percentage" of contribution out of the group. I suppose now the argument is "Listen" was the one time she contributed the least out of the credited writers. I'll wait for that ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x3MwY10FZM LEGENDtoya slays the entire industry with one song! GET IN!!!!

You tried. She spoke about writing irreplaceable. The song. At best, she can be credited for adding harmonies to a song that was already fully written. If she can be truly credited with that. Another example, Beyonce received a Golden Globe nomination as a songwriter for "Listen". However, when it came around to the Oscars, they only allowed three writers to be nominated for the track. FYI, Beyonce wasn't one of the three writers. I guess adding "harmonies" or helping with the "melodies" wasn't enough for the Oscars..... People doubt her writing ability because she has been clocked before. That's her fault. Don't speak about songs in which your "co-writing" credit has little to no involvement with the actual creation of the song. BTW, those lists and organizations honor popular songs and the writers behind them. Beyonce, whether deserving or not, is listed as a writer on practically all of her songs. One can argue she's being honored as a result of other's work.The popularity she brings to those songs. However, that has little do with her actual involvement in terms of songwriting. Let's see how many people like and quote this post with Beyonce gifs....

She got that award during the DC years. Her true contributions as a "songwriter" then and now are debatable. It also doesn't help your argument when you can find demos online that sound almost identical to the final track she supposedly "wrote" on. The same tracks she has previously spoken in depth about writing. Not just adding elements to the song (harmonies, arrangements, etc) but actually writing the song (lyrics and all). It makes you question everything she's credited as a songwriter on. Sometimes you just have to count your losses and move on. lol

SCREAMING!!!!

This. That's called back tracking to make sure you're guaranteed a spot on the next project. lol There are many things you can defend her on as a stan (I suppose), but songwriting simply isn't one of them. Y'all just need to let that one go. lol

Pot meet kettle... again...

Pot meet kettle... Get it!?!

Bitch.

We all know it has. HoeHoe is trying to ask it in a roundabout kind of way. lol You'd be in jail? lol I wouldn't give it that much energy. I think I would be mad at the friend though. I would be like "Why are going after what I've had and got rid of?" lol