Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 i guess you didn't read the link or click it... so basically... the pro-drug information is made up.. so basically, you're biased before entering this thread... if you're not willing to educate yourself on a subject... and by educate i mean learning about both sides of the story... than what's the point of discussing it... you contradicted yourself... be open-minded... I am well educated, I've watched several unbiased documentaries on different drugs, I've read up on it all, and on NO occassion did the positives outweigh the negatives. I am open minded, and that's exactly why I'm against drugs cause I realise the harm they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 He needs a sense of humour There is nothing to laugh about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Now, im not anti marijuana, if you wanna smoke weed then thats your business, hell, ive been known to smoke a couple in the past, but I am just saying what the dangers are. As I said, I love to smoke cigarettes, I know they stink, I know they can cause all kinds of diseases but its nobodys business but mine. I do want to give up, only because of the fact that I hate being addicted to something. What gets me though is people who like to preach on the negative health impacts of cigarettes etc yet they are happy to drive around in a huge 4X4 polluting everyones lungs more than my cigarette or someones weed ever could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 There is nothing to laugh about here. My picture was Smoking is a personal choice. I don't smoke. I don't like inhaling other peoples smoke but thats why I stick to the non-smoking areas. Condeming other people for smoking is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 My picture was Smoking is a personal choice. I don't smoke. I don't like inhaling other peoples smoke but thats why I stick to the non-smoking areas. Condeming other people for smoking is wrong Slitting your wrist is personal choice too. Would you not try to stop someone from doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Slitting your wrist is personal choice too. Would you not try to stop someone from doing that? We ain't talking about suicide we're talking about smoking. There's a BIG difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 We ain't talking about suicide we're talking about smoking. There's a BIG difference. Slitting your wrists isn't necessarily suicide, people do it to feel better and escape pain, just like drugs. You going to say that's okay then? After all it's a 'personal choice.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Slitting your wrists isn't necessarily suicide, people do it to feel better and escape pain, just like drugs. You going to say that's okay then? After all it's a 'personal choice.' It is a personal choice. It [slitting wrists] may be wrong but that doesn't give me the right to go aorund condemning people. How does that make me any better than the crazy religious folk who go around condemning people to hell just because they don't believe what they want them to believe much like some do on here when people disagree with them? Smoking is the persons business only and IT IS foolish to compare it to slitting wrists and therefore I am dismissing that much like you dismissed chocolate cake and weed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 It is a personal choice. It [slitting wrists] may be wrong but that doesn't give me the right to go aorund condemning people. How does that make me any better than the crazy religious folk who go around condemning people to hell just because they don't believe what they want them to believe much like some do on here when people disagree with them? Smoking is the persons business only and IT IS foolish to compare it to slitting wrists and therefore I am dismissing that much like you dismissed chocolate cake and weed. Hmm, you are so predictable. Rights, 'free' choice, religious contempt. Boring. I suppose the destruction of societies health and well being doesn't matter to you as long as you get to smoke your joint and not get judged.. Anyway, I'm done with this for real. The video speaks for itself.... I'm gone. Disconnected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Hmm, you are so predictable. Rights, 'free' choice, religious contempt. Boring. I suppose the destruction of societies health and well being doesn't matter to you as long as you get to smoke your joint and not get judged.. The problem is that you pic and choose. Things that YOU see as detrimental to society you come down hard on. You mention well being, many people would say that an artist like Janet has been detrimental to the well being of society because of the sexual themes of her songs etc - her and madonna opened the doors for people like gaga and britney. But you love Janet so you wouldnt see that. People could argue that having pornography so available is detrimental to society - but im sure you watch porn. Others argue that the removal of compulsory prayer in school has been detrimental to societies well being - but from what I remember you aren't religious so you don't think about it. And lets not get started on what people say about homosexuality and the devaluation of the family etc - but you are gay so you wouldnt agree. There are lots of things that you indulge in or agree with that are not good for the well being of society, so you really shouldn't preach from that stand point. And if people harming themselves and others around you is such a concern to you then I suggest you should look at what you eat, drink, watch on a daily basis and make sure you aren't guilty of what you accuse other people of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Slitting your wrist is personal choice too. Would you not try to stop someone from doing that? comparing suicide a mental disorder with weed? ummm #fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 I am well educated, I've watched several unbiased documentaries on different drugs, I've read up on it all, and on NO occassion did the positives outweigh the negatives. I am open minded, and that's exactly why I'm against drugs cause I realise the harm they do. 1) it's not about DRUGS.. it's about marijuana... yes Marijuana is a drug but when you say "drugs" that includes the drugs from the video 2) you realize the harm they do and that's it.. there's no 2nd option.. it can't be both for you... there's a harm in drinking alcohol but there's also the positives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 comparing suicide with weed? ummm #fail Comparing chockate cake with weed? Umm #fail Slitting your wrist is rarely suicidal, and often an action to escape pain, and to feel better. Just like a drug. It's very comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Comparing chockate cake with weed? Umm #fail Slitting your wrist is rarely suicidal, and often an action to escape pain, and to feel better. Just like a drug. It's very comparable. People watch porn to feel better and relieve tension and to escape, but a lot of people would argue that pornography does more damage both social and health wise (porn stars catching STDs, people becoming obsessed with certain sexual acts and then damaging another person or themselves through them) than marijuana. See what im getting at? If you are going to be judgemental then you have to make sure that every area of your life is in order, and nothing you do or engage in damages society, yourself or other people. Why not take the stance of "I dont agree with smoking weed because it causes health problems which I would rather not deal with" - don't put all drugs in the same basket, then bring up other things like slitting wrists and bringing up societal ills etc because it leaves the foundation of your argument on very rocky ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 Look guys go ahead do your drugs and be in denial about it, don't listen to anyone else and slam down anyone that dares to question it. Just don't get angry when your in the doctors office being told youve got advanced cancer and only have months to live, when you still think your healthy. Don't tell me it won't happen with weed, there is simply not enough evidence to determine either way but I wouldn't take the risk knowing the dangers of alcohol and smoking. I have seen who have been through just that and say they WISH they listened to preachy people like me tell them off. I've had personal experience with people who didn't listen and it was too late. And it still angers and pains me. So don't get at me with your insults cause I care. And until I'm ready I won't let anyone tell me not to bother. So really you are best just to end the discussion if you want peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Look guys go ahead do your drugs and be in denial about it, don't listen to anyone else and slam down anyone that dares to question it. Just don't get angry when your in the doctors office being told yove got advanced cancer and only have months to live, when you still think your healthy. Don't tell me it won't happen with weed, there is simply not enough evidence to determine either way bug I wouldn't take the risk knowing 'the dangers of alcohol and smoking. I have seen who have been through just that and say they WISH they listened to preachy people like me tell them off. I've had personal experience with people who didn't listen and if was too late. So don't get at me with your insults cause I care. And until I'm ready I won't let anyone tell me not to bother. So really you are best just to end the discussion if you want peace. Well I just hope that you are as open to criticism and judgement as you expect other people to be when your negative lifestyle choices are questioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 Well I just hope that you are as open to criticism and judgement as you expect other people to be when your negative lifestyle choices are questioned As far as I'm aware I don't do anything that with evidence can't be justified as acceptable and harmless. And either way I would be open to criticism and consider their view. Ive learnt this to be very important! Problem is many people who use drugs just refuse to listen altogether. I've come across it alot, it's a stubborn nature. That stubborn nature killed someone I cared about a lot. But of course I was just being ignorant and closed minded and just a little child. (and I hate to get personal as it's nobodies business, but I don't like being insulted as ignorant, not fair. And I just want you to see where my beliefs stem from atleast) And yes I get that anything can happen to anyone at anytime, but it's not always that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 As far as I'm aware I don't do anything that with evidence can't be justified as acceptable and harmless. And either way I would be open to criticism and consider their view. Ive learnt this to be very important! Problem is many people who use drugs just refuse to listen altogether. I've come across it alot, it's a stubborn nature. That stubborn nature killed someone I cared about a lot. But of course I was just being ignorant and closed minded and just a little child. So you don't watch porn? you don't wear clothes that might be made in sweatshops? All the food you eat is fairtrade and organic? I understand your concerns and where you are coming from, but you should understand that most people have vices, and by the very nature of a vice they aren't healthy. For some its food, some is alcohol, some it gambling, some its weed, some its cigarettes. Just because people engage in these things it doesnt mean they are necessary doing it to harmful levels. I dont think anyone would argue that there are no health concerns from smoking a cig or smoking weed, but for a lot of people the pleasure they get outweighs the concerns they have. its personal choice. The lines you draw seem to be very black and white and sometimes a little shortsighted Its the same way you would say e.g "gaga is disgusting because she is pushing sex etc" but when someone points out that Janet has done exactly the same thing you don't accept it. It just seems that you have your own personal likes and dislikes and judgements and instead of considering other peoples points of view or thinking critically, even about your own stance, you stand firm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 Hmm, you are so predictable. Rights, 'free' choice, religious contempt. Boring. I suppose the destruction of societies health and well being doesn't matter to you as long as you get to smoke your joint and not get judged.. Anyway, I'm done with this for real. The video speaks for itself.... I'm gone. Disconnected LOL How am I predictable when you're doing the usual 'this person doesn't agree with me so I'm gonna hammer at him' routine you always do? Oh and um...slitting wrists is often a cry for help. Not a 'this will make me feel better'. And I know that from personal experiences and years of therapy. Not one person I've ever come across slit their wrists so they could feel better. I'm out. I don't even smoke or drink so yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twistedvelvet Posted April 4, 2011 Author Share Posted April 4, 2011 So you don't watch porn? you don't wear clothes that might be made in sweatshops? All the food you eat is fairtrade and organic? I understand your concerns and where you are coming from, but you should understand that most people have vices, and by the very nature of a vice they aren't healthy. For some its food, some is alcohol, some it gambling, some its weed, some its cigarettes. Just because people engage in these things it doesnt mean they are necessary doing it to harmful levels. I dont think anyone would argue that there are no health concerns from smoking a cig or smoking weed, but for a lot of people the pleasure they get outweighs the concerns they have. its personal choice. You can hardly compare watching porn or not eating organic with smoking tar in to your lungs ffs. It's like comparing stealing a penny sweet from a shop to burglaring someones house. Obviously the latter is more severe. As with the topic in mind, drugs of any kind are more harmful than watching some porn. My point would be that the pleasure should never outweigh the concerns with drugs cause factually it's the opposite anyway, for health and society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Paul Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 You can hardly compare watching porn or not eating organic with smoking tar in to your lungs ffs. It's like comparing stealing a penny sweet from a shop to burglaring someones house. Obviously the latter is more severe. As with the topic in mind, drugs of any kind are more harmful than watching some porn. My point would be that the pleasure should never outweigh the concerns with drugs cause factually it's the opposite anyway, for health and society. You compared drug use to slitting wrists. You talk about drugs doing damage to a person. There is plenty of evidence that porn has negative psychological effects on people, and people that watch porn encourage the degredation and abuse of other people that goes on in the industry. I watch porn, but im not saying that nothing I do harms myself or other people like you are. You are being hypocritical. Its exactly what I said earlier. Just because YOU think something is negative you think everyone should and just because YOU think something isn't harmful then it can't be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 You compared drug use to slitting wrists. You talk about drugs doing damage to a person. There is plenty of evidence that porn has negative psychological effects on people, and people that watch porn encourage the degredation and abuse of other people that goes on in the industry. I watch porn, but im not saying that nothing I do harms myself or other people like you are. You are being hypocritical. Its exactly what I said earlier. Just because YOU think something is negative you think everyone should and just because YOU think something isn't harmful then it can't be. oh boy it's hot on the block in here I tell ya....let me read the thread then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 So you don't watch porn? you don't wear clothes that might be made in sweatshops? All the food you eat is fairtrade and organic? I understand your concerns and where you are coming from, but you should understand that most people have vices, and by the very nature of a vice they aren't healthy. For some its food, some is alcohol, some it gambling, some its weed, some its cigarettes. Just because people engage in these things it doesnt mean they are necessary doing it to harmful levels. I dont think anyone would argue that there are no health concerns from smoking a cig or smoking weed, but for a lot of people the pleasure they get outweighs the concerns they have. its personal choice. The lines you draw seem to be very black and white and sometimes a little shortsighted Its the same way you would say e.g "gaga is disgusting because she is pushing sex etc" but when someone points out that Janet has done exactly the same thing you don't accept it. It just seems that you have your own personal likes and dislikes and judgements and instead of considering other peoples points of view or thinking critically, even about your own stance, you stand firm. The personal choice thing is subjective because some folks can handle their liquor and some folks get wasted on a reg it's really an individual issue, but I am not for trying to apply a one size fits all rule to all because every case is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henrietta. Posted April 4, 2011 Share Posted April 4, 2011 chile... please.. i use it for personal uses only... tho it does relieve pain.. but i don't use it for that.. 98% of my usage is for pure entertainment... i just watch tv, laugh, and eat... the 2% is for when the hubby fight... it calms me down and lets me sleep.. cuz i can't go to sleep mad at him YES! That's the perfect use for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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