Ya'll Ready To Admit I Was Right About Everything?

[JoeJoe]

and this is so sad. Janet has fans fighting each other and ending friendships over this project. As much as I love this album if she wasn't gonna promote it she shouldn't of put it out. How you gonna put out an album and lose fans by not promoting and cancelling your tour that you got them all excited for? Ugh this is starting to make me mad all over again so i'm not gonna go there. She hasn't lost me as a fan but she's definitely lost a lot of fans due to this bullshit. By the way Lamont Austin was sticking up for you when he said Janet should've acknowledged you herself instead of telling Jimmy to say it. I know you don't care if Janet acknowledged you personally but some people felt that way and Austin was one of them. I'm sure others who saw your work would've wished the same. Hell I told you on facebook that Janet needs you on your team. Hell she could use you both cause you're both smart and talented and both have taken time out to write long articles and do videos for and about Janet. Y'all need to get over this little quarrel. You've known Austin for 10yrs so you know he was just being bitchy cause he was mad at Janet. I saw the part in the video where the guy said Control won a Grammy and I was like "um no it didn't"  Every now and then I still get a little mad at Janet just cause it feels like she's just given up. Austin you should've maybe hit Lamont up in the DM and told him about the mistakes in the video tho. Anyway all this is definitely because of Janet. Had this era would've been done the right way by her none of us would be fighting. Everybody was promoting Janet's album except her. Still love her tho but Janet get it together after this baby lol

Edited August 21, 2016 by JoeJoe

[Black Eagle]

No she doesn't. She needs to take care of SELF and her FAMILY..  That is all. 

Get off his dick bro. It wasn't cute when's bailey was doing it.. you're def not helping his weak ass case. Janet doesn't need some random ass fake fan

Your appearance is what I was questioning. You come here attempting to defend your butt buddy but everyone sees through your bullshit. 

 

No she doesn't. She needs to take care of SELF and her FAMILY..  That is all. 

Your career still needs to be a high priority. And that hasn't been the case for quite some time. Don't use her pregnancy as a scapegoat for this half-assed era. Even before she got pregnant, everything about this era was poorly executed. This is Janet's strongest effort in nearly 20 years, yet she treated it as if it weren't. Releasing No Sleeep as a first single was not smart, as it didn't represent the album musically or thematically whatsoever, which is the main purpose of a first single. Janet being one of the most highly decorated visual artists and releasing two uninspired videos TEN MONTHS APART was not smart. Janet promotes "a new movement," yet never explains the movement or gage the general public to join her movement was not smart. Announcing a pregnancy and cancelling tour dates weeks before they are to start was not smart and unprofessional. And when she doesn't reschedule these dates, it will be the final nail in a touring brand that has been in the pits for nearly 20 years. But I already saw her twice on this tour so guess what I'll be doing?

 

 

Get off his dick bro. It wasn't cute when's bailey was doing it.. you're def not helping his weak ass case. Janet doesn't need some random ass fake fan

And you need to get off Janet's dick. Just because you can't give constructive criticism like an adult, it doesn't make me a fake fan.

 

Your appearance is what I was questioning. You come here attempting to defend your butt buddy but everyone sees through your bullshit. 

Mr. Wonder does not need my help defending his case. He's already proven how effective he is rather you want to admit it or not. I mean...11 pages strong and he still has you girls riled up. "Everyone sees through your bullshit." Who is everyone? You?

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

I like how someone who doesn't have a 30 career attempt and fail to tell someone who is literally a legend what she should consider her priority

Janet> you

I'm not reading the rest.. you're not important or worth it

[Mr. Wonder]

DEAD @ someone's job not being a priority. You sound how you look. 

[Bailey]

where is his Saturday fun at though

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

DEAD @ someone's job not being a priority. You sound how you look. 

It's not a job.. it's an entertainment career. There's a difference. She's her own boss with her own money

You wouldn't know about priorities as you don't have a husband or soon to have children.

Jodi please educate these gays: what comes first: Your career or your children/family. 

You're as sad as you are desperate 

Edited August 21, 2016 by Game

[Black Eagle]

It's not a job.. it's an entertainment career. There's a difference. She's her own boss with her own money

You're as sad as you are desperate 

Job is synonymous with career. There is no difference. How dense are you?

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

Job is synonymous with career. There is no difference. How dense are you?

 

There's a difference between a "job" and a "career". The fact that you don't know the difference speaks volume. 

That is all

 

[Black Eagle]

There's a difference between a "job" and a "career". The fact that you don't know the difference speaks volume. 

That is all

 

Tell me the difference. Enlighten me sis. 

 

[jarrylf]

There's a difference between a "job" and a "career". The fact that you don't know the difference speaks volume. 

That is all

 I thought that was common sense for all working adults, I mean damn.If they were the same they'd at least have the same definition (check ya dictionaries, they don't). 

Now if she were signed to a label and agreed to their terms of promotion= that's more of a job, because what you want to do matters less than pleasing your bosses who's dime you're working on on

But she's not, so it's not, it's not her job, She has complete freedom to do what she wants when she wants and how she wants, she's on her time spending her dime. And we're free to disagree with it all, she's her own women and playing by her own rules. 

[J.]

thats cool but her music is not played on fan sites ,twitter,ect, you dont need those things to listen to her music. just admit you are a troll.

But I don't answer to you. Call me what you like love. I don't care. Bye bitch!

[J.]

and this is so sad. Janet has fans fighting each other and ending friendships over this project. As much as I love this album if she wasn't gonna promote it she shouldn't of put it out. How you gonna put out an album and lose fans by not promoting and cancelling your tour that you got them all excited for? Ugh this is starting to make me mad all over again so i'm not gonna go there. She hasn't lost me as a fan but she's definitely lost a lot of fans due to this bullshit. By the way Lamont Austin was sticking up for you when he said Janet should've acknowledged you herself instead of telling Jimmy to say it. I know you don't care if Janet acknowledged you personally but some people felt that way and Austin was one of them. I'm sure others who saw your work would've wished the same. Hell I told you on facebook that Janet needs you on your team. Hell she could use you both cause you're both smart and talented and both have taken time out to write long articles and do videos for and about Janet. Y'all need to get over this little quarrel. You've known Austin for 10yrs so you know he was just being bitchy cause he was mad at Janet. I saw the part in the video where the guy said Control won a Grammy and I was like "um no it didn't"  Every now and then I still get a little mad at Janet just cause it feels like she's just given up. Austin you should've maybe hit Lamont up in the DM and told him about the mistakes in the video tho. Anyway all this is definitely because of Janet. Had this era would've been done the right way by her none of us would be fighting. Everybody was promoting Janet's album except her. Still love her tho but Janet get it together after this baby lol

yeah as much shit as I talk on here I still love her...I've just given up on her and music. She should just act

[bu.]

It was a half assed era though . I'm just glad the music was good because I was not here for a Discipline 2.0 where the era was half assed and the music half sucked. 

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

 I thought that was common sense for all working adults, I mean damn.If they were the same they'd at least have the same definition (check ya dictionaries, they don't). 

Now if she were signed to a label and agreed to their terms of promotion= that's more of a job, because what you want to do matters less than pleasing your bosses who's dime you're working on on

But she's not, so it's not, it's not her job, She has complete freedom to do what she wants when she wants and how she wants, she's on her time spending her dime. And we're free to disagree with it all, she's her own women and playing by her own rules. 

Apparently, it's not common sense. common sense isn't so common anymore

Thank you Jarryl.

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

It was a half assed era though . 

The era was set up for minimal promotion with good profits and great music. Bu, Dont. 

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

and this is so sad. Janet has fans fighting each other and ending friendships over this project. As much as I love this album if she wasn't gonna promote it she shouldn't of put it out. How you gonna put out an album and lose fans by not promoting and cancelling your tour that you got them all excited for? 

1) Don't call them fans... it's Janet fans vs Trolls 

2) Janet created the album Bc it's been SEVEN YEARS since that previous mess. She created the album for her FANS. Us fans are in love with the MUSIC not the promotion. If you're not here for the music.. what's the point of you being here? 

3) Janet didn't lose fans for becoming pregnant... only an idiot would get upset over someone bringing life into the world

4) Many artists release albums without promoting.. And since you haven't been noticing, the artists that do promote def aren't hitting the numbers Janet did  

Edited August 21, 2016 by Game

[Bailey]

The era was set up for minimal promotion with good profits and great music. Bu, Dont. 

But can't you agree that no matter how things are set up trying to shore up your fan base and keep them engaged matters? I mean when the annoucement came she said new music, new tour, a new movement.......where was this movement? Where did conversations in a cafe take us?  I really wanna know

Edited August 21, 2016 by Bailey.

[Mr. Wonder]

and this is so sad. Janet has fans fighting each other and ending friendships over this project. As much as I love this album if she wasn't gonna promote it she shouldn't of put it out. How you gonna put out an album and lose fans by not promoting and cancelling your tour that you got them all excited for? Ugh this is starting to make me mad all over again so i'm not gonna go there. She hasn't lost me as a fan but she's definitely lost a lot of fans due to this bullshit. By the way Lamont Austin was sticking up for you when he said Janet should've acknowledged you herself instead of telling Jimmy to say it. I know you don't care if Janet acknowledged you personally but some people felt that way and Austin was one of them. I'm sure others who saw your work would've wished the same. Hell I told you on facebook that Janet needs you on your team. Hell she could use you both cause you're both smart and talented and both have taken time out to write long articles and do videos for and about Janet. Y'all need to get over this little quarrel. You've known Austin for 10yrs so you know he was just being bitchy cause he was mad at Janet. I saw the part in the video where the guy said Control won a Grammy and I was like "um no it didn't"  Every now and then I still get a little mad at Janet just cause it feels like she's just given up. Austin you should've maybe hit Lamont up in the DM and told him about the mistakes in the video tho. Anyway all this is definitely because of Janet. Had this era would've been done the right way by her none of us would be fighting. Everybody was promoting Janet's album except her. Still love her tho but Janet get it together after this baby lol

And it's like....if you're making a video, why WOULDN'T you want the facts to be correct? 

And some of the tweets that are flying around with the hash tag are just incorrect. It's infuriating because the information IS RIGHT THERE. 

 

[ThatOtherFan]

I'll say this and I'll leave it alone....

As I've told the dick rider in this thread, I can have an entire bag on chips on my shoulder because my track record warrants it. The threads I created (Sales, Pop Culture, Charts, etc.) are the home base for Janet receipts. They were compiled because it appeared every other fan base created comprehensive summaries of their artist's career, except Janet. So I took the liberty to do the same for Janet and her fans, because no one else had done it. I spent months - and at this point, years - compiling all of Janet's successes into a series of threads as points of reference.

My work has reached widespread attention, to the point where major worldwide publications have quoted Janet as selling 140mil records (the Induct Janet guy even quoted this figure in his letter to the R&R HOF committee). When Jimmy got on the BET Awards during the opening of the tribute last year, and stated Janet had sold 140 million records, my ego, and status in this community, was validated.  

My tweets about your video are independent of my ego, however. They were an illustration of irritation at the MO being taken with the Induct Janet campaign. Your intentions and the video are commendable, however it was ineffective and predictable - a chronological order of Janet's career inserted with stats. This was the basis of my thread of tweets, the whole video was stats, stats, stats. Yes they are impressive, but the video lacked creativity and direction, and did not fully cement the justification of an induction. It didn't necessarily highlight the overall artistic output of Janet, lacked an understanding of what she represented, and failed to provide an analysis of her career.

I watched the entire video, and a lot of the "facts" were indeed inaccurate or a complete fabrication. Your video states Control won a Grammy. It didn't Lamont. It didn't. RN sold nearly 20 million? Where did you get that information? Those tour grosses? Highly inflated. You mentioned Madonna followed Janet performing at Gelredome. How does that add to Janet's legacy? Stop being jealous that Janet isn't having the success Madonna and Beyonce are having, because you really are ("check in the mirror my friend"). If the stats in the video are incorrect, doesn't that defeat the purpose of the video? In fact, there's no reason to mention any other artists in the video, because the focus should be on the person you're trying to get inducted. Keep the focus on Janet.

What's most frustrating is that the information is RIGHT THERE. You can search the Grammy website for Janet's wins. Janet's own label confirmed 14mil for RN1814 back in 2009. Search my threads. Pull the receipts. I don't care. That's why they're there. I pointed out 35 inaccurate "facts" in a 27 minute video. That's something wrong once every minute. And you all want the R&R HOF committee to see this? Do you have any idea how embarrassing it is that this video was made, and you all didn't even fact check? It made us look like a complete joke. We want them to induct her, but we can't even get her stats correct? And we're supposed to be fans? Fact checking is one of the most important aspects of journalism, and you didn't do it.

So like I said, your intentions are commendable, however your methods are ineffective. I have plenty of ideas, even offered to help, but I will not considering how I've been ostracized by so many of you despite the work I've put in. 

 

And it's still about your ego.

You did great work compiling the facts that you have. When I did the Blueprint video it was much appreciated! However, this isn't about who gathered the facts. This isn't about YOU being part of the project. This isn't about the creative direction that YOU think this project, campaign, and video should go in. This isn't even about if YOU disagree with the facts that we used (More on that in a minute). 

This is about the campaign to get Janet Jackson inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. That's it. 

All you did was attempt to demean, disregard, and belittle our HARD WORK because YOU didn't like the direction, and because you and I have had issues. That's pathetic.

Again, there were close to 10 people that worked to compile these facts and bring this video together. Your motivation was to hurt me. You did hurt me (mission accomplished), but you also hurt others that worked hard to make this project a reality. That's foul. 

Now as for the facts. Every single fact is accurate.Every single fact is from a verifiable source. For instance, There have been articles (from legitimate sources) stating that RN has sold 18 million copies worldwide. Just one of those articles (from 2014) saying RN has sold nearly 20 million copies worldwide (Which is exactly what was stated in the video). http://www.ew.com/article/2014/09/19/janet-jackson-rhythm-nation-1814-25th-anniversary

You disagree with that? That's okay. That doesn't take away from the fact that verifiable sources have stated it. Again, just because you personally don't agree with a fact, that doesn't negate the inclusion of it in our video. Why? Again, this video isn't about Austin's ego. 

Our tour stats.We did it similarly to how it was done in this thread:  http://planetjanet.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/4166-an-in-depth-look-at-janet-jacksons-tour-history-over-the-years/  However, this is based on the average ticket price in 2008. Not accurate to use these receipts for 2016, because ticket prices have increased since 2008. 

The average ticket price in 2016 is around $120 to $130 (It was $110 in 2008). Not counting the secondary market. 

The janet. world tour 2.5 million tickets x $130 = $325,000,000.00 (That's slightly higher than the figure we used in the video, btw. We were a tad more conservative with the calculations we presented in the video). As mentioned in that linked thread above, in her prime, Janet had some of the highest ticket prices among touring artists. We could've used that to our advantage, but we didn't. 

As for us mentioning Janet being the first solo artist to perform at the Gelredome Stadium. If you weren't so blinded with your own ego, and whatever personal issues you have with me, you would know exactly why we used it. Many don't know or deny the fact that Janet was huge internationally in her prime. They call her local, without much worldwide success or impact. She was a major (and dominate) touring act worldwide. What better way to show that than with the fact that Janet was the first solo artist to sell out this STADIUM.... outside of the US? 

It's the same reason I intentionally used fans from from around the world to recite facts in their native language. It was a subtle way of showing Janet's international influence. The Gelredome fact was a more obvious way of doing that. 

I shouldn't have to break down our reasons for the inclusion of these facts. Especially not to another Janet fan. For the third or fourth time, this isn't about your ego. This isn't about what you personally believe or agree with. This isn't even about me. It's about the Induct Janet campaign. That's it. 

If you don't agree with how we did it. That's fine. Do your own thing. Support Janet in your own way. Don't try to create doubt around our heart felt project because of your own ego and/or issues with me. That's not fair to Janet, the fans, or the induct Janet campaign.  

To end this, perhaps your offers to help would have been taken seriously, if you weren't acting the way you're acting right now. You've turned people off. That's your own doing. 

 

Edited August 21, 2016 by ThatOtherFan

[J.]

Just a delusional mess. And Why are you even responding when you have him blocked on Twitter. What kind of power? 

 

And dead at the facts being "accurate."

Edited August 21, 2016 by J.

[J.]

 

Where they do that at?

Edited August 21, 2016 by J.

[ThatOtherFan]

and this is so sad. Janet has fans fighting each other and ending friendships over this project. As much as I love this album if she wasn't gonna promote it she shouldn't of put it out. How you gonna put out an album and lose fans by not promoting and cancelling your tour that you got them all excited for? Ugh this is starting to make me mad all over again so i'm not gonna go there. She hasn't lost me as a fan but she's definitely lost a lot of fans due to this bullshit. By the way Lamont Austin was sticking up for you when he said Janet should've acknowledged you herself instead of telling Jimmy to say it. I know you don't care if Janet acknowledged you personally but some people felt that way and Austin was one of them. I'm sure others who saw your work would've wished the same. Hell I told you on facebook that Janet needs you on your team. Hell she could use you both cause you're both smart and talented and both have taken time out to write long articles and do videos for and about Janet. Y'all need to get over this little quarrel. You've known Austin for 10yrs so you know he was just being bitchy cause he was mad at Janet. I saw the part in the video where the guy said Control won a Grammy and I was like "um no it didn't"  Every now and then I still get a little mad at Janet just cause it feels like she's just given up. Austin you should've maybe hit Lamont up in the DM and told him about the mistakes in the video tho. Anyway all this is definitely because of Janet. Had this era would've been done the right way by her none of us would be fighting. Everybody was promoting Janet's album except her. Still love her tho but Janet get it together after this baby lol

No, it was an attempt to belittle what I've done and tried to do. It's not the first time he's done it either. 

BTW, just because I don't brag about it, that doesn't mean I haven't received acknowledgement. I just choose not to share it. 

Jimmy and Terry won the "Producer of the Year" Grammy for their work on the "Control" album. That's a win for the project it self. Which is was we said. The Control album won 4 AMAs, 6 Billboard Awards, 2 VMAs, and one Grammy. Janet is credited as a producer on the project as well, and either chose not to submit herself in that category to let Jimmy and Terry shine, or The Grammys were being shady (which wouldn't surprise me)  

BTW, I used that same fact in the "Blueprint" video. Austin didn't take an issue with it then, because he contributed. It's only an issue now because of his personal issue with me, his ego, and his attempt to dismiss this project. It's petty.  

Edited August 21, 2016 by ThatOtherFan

[Black Eagle]

career  via: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/career

• : a job or profession that someone does for a long time

• : a period of time spent in a job or profession

 

 career via: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/career

an occupation or profession, especially one requiring special training, followed as one's lifework:

job via: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/job?s=t

a piece of work, especially a specific task done as part of the routine of one's occupation or for an agreed price:

Job may not encompass the entire definition of a career, but it is a component of one's career. Just because Janet is her own boss, doesn't mean she doesn't get paid based on output. The amount of money Janet receives is dependent upon the number of album and concert tickets she sells. And that's dependent upon the amount of promotion she does. And you're all forgetting that she has a deal with BMG for an agreed price. They get a cut from every dime she makes from this album. Rather she gets more from the deal or not  is irrelevant. She also has a partnership with Live Nation. If she doesn't do her JOB and perform then she'll have to reimburse them for all those cancelled dates, not that she hasn't done that before. With that said, her job should be a top priority. Her partnerships with BMG and Live Nation means she has a responsibility. Oh wait, that sounds familiar:

job via: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/job?s=t

anything a person is expected or obliged to do; duty; responsibility:

Edited August 21, 2016 by Impactnet.

[Bailey]

the fact a campaign exists at all is an achievement for the fans, the video is being way over dissected, when you can gather over a 100 fans in 27 minutes all saying induct Janet, it feels like its all about showing the love. You have folks that argue the "stats" back and forth, which got over emphasized, but still its an effort that I dont see anybody else creating, shit if mofos can do better give it a holla, Im just saying I think we all sat thru the entire video to comment this much on it that says something about a fan made product being able to get this much "talk" going.

The only reason Janet got the nom last year, was thanks to the fans insisting over and over she be inducted, independent of anything Janet was currently doing.

[Bailey]

No, it was an attempt to belittle what I've done and tried to do. It's not the first time he's done it either. 
BTW, just because I don't brag about it, that doesn't mean I haven't received acknowledgement. I just choose not to share it. 

Jimmy and Terry won the "Producer of the Year" Grammy for their work on the "Control" album. That's a win for the project it self. Which is was we said. The Control album won 4 AMAs, 6 Billboard Awards, 2 VMAs, and one Grammy. Janet is credited as a producer on the project as well, and either chose not to submit herself in that category to let Jimmy and Terry shine, or The Grammys were being shady (which wouldn't surprise me)  

BTW, I used that same fact in the "Blueprint" video. Austin didn't take an issue with it then, because he contributed. It's only an issue now because of his personal issue with me and his ego. 

I didnt really see the "Control" album won a Grammy as entirely inaccurate, Jam and Lewis did when producers of the year (non-classical)  and that win was based on "Control" . Its interesting we think we need to make this distinction of who was officially on the credits, because today you can have 5 "artists" on a record and they all get credit and thus a Grammy we dont bat an eye over that now, but for some reason back within Janet's time its more stringent

 

Edited August 21, 2016 by Bailey.