ThatOtherFan Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 JT isn't doing R&B no one is making the same music as JT.. The question was general, why would a black artist doing the SAME music as Justin be placed into the R&B category? Comparing JT to a white rapper umm sure? The comparison is in Macklemore acknowledging the privilege and the role it plays in his success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaria Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 This fucking thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 The question was general, why would a black artist doing the SAME music as Justin be placed into the R&B category? The comparison is in Macklemore acknowledging the privilege and the role it plays in his success. The question isn't general since Justin isn't making R&B music... He's making pop music... I can't think of any R&B musicians that have had the career JT built and earned.. Can you? No.. didn't think so... idk why you're trying to stuff him into this R&B genre when he's def' not R&B.. maybe you should listen to his music Billboard's R&B chart accounts for all black artists... and some cross overs based on Radio play... If you don't know the history of Billboard and their naming of charts and how they work, then whats the point in having this discussion... Black artist, R&B, Pop, Rock, have made appearances on Billboard's R&B/Hip-Hop chart.. That is not JT's fault. Macklemore is a rapper... not a pop singer/entertainer... Rap is a majority black genre which is why he "had to" "acknowledged the privilege"... Pop is not that race-specific.. so Justin doesn't have to "acknowledge the privilege" especially since he rode the Pop train since day one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Just like how Nsync's music was always Pop/r&b but we looked at them as a POP group. JT has continued that but he's still categorized as POP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOtherFan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 The question isn't general since Justin isn't making R&B music... He's making pop music... I can't think of any R&B musicians that have had the career JT built and earned.. Can you? No.. didn't think so... idk why you're trying to stuff him into this R&B genre when he's def' not R&B.. maybe you should listen to his music Billboard's R&B chart accounts for all black artists... and some cross overs based on Radio play... If you don't know the history of Billboard and their naming of charts and how they work, then whats the point in having this discussion... Black artist, R&B, Pop, Rock, have made appearances on Billboard's R&B/Hip-Hop chart.. That is not JT's fault. Macklemore is a rapper... not a pop singer/entertainer... Rap is a majority black genre which is why he "had to" "acknowledged the privilege"... Pop is not that race-specific.. so Justin doesn't have to "acknowledge the privilege" especially since he rode the Pop train since day one So if a black artist was making the same music as Justin, which you say is pop, why would that artist be placed in the R&B genre? Why would he/she be labeled an R&B artist? I mentioned a few points back that Billboard's R&B charts were still called the "Black charts/Hot Black Singles" as recently as the late 80's. I'm asking you why would a black artist, making the same "pop" music as JT, be considered an R&B artist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 So if a black artist was making the same music as Justin, which you say is pop, why would that artist be placed in the R&B genre? Why would he/she be labeled an R&B artist? I mentioned a few points back that Billboard's R&B charts were still called the "Black charts/Hot Black Singles" as recently as the late 80's. I'm asking you why would a black artist, making the same "pop" music as JT, be considered an R&B artist? bc he or she is black... ie Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson... It's not something JT can't change... Which is something you seem not to get.. You're bitching about JT like he owns Billboard and makes the rules... he doesn't... sooo make another thread and rant about the race war there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 So I bought my ticket...but Im sort of expecting an email saying they couldn't process my payment... Fingers crossed that doesn't happen and I do actually have the ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOtherFan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 bc he or she is black... ie Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson... It's not something JT can't change... Which is something you seem not to get.. You're bitching about JT like he owns Billboard and makes the rules... he doesn't... sooo make another thread and rant about the race war there Which is an example of privilege, and is one of many ways that shows us just how the playing field still isn't level. As I said to Bu, my point is not to blame him, or claim he needs to be the one to change things. My point has been that privilege does in fact play a role in his success, and that there is nothing wrong with acknowledging it, nor does it make him a lesser artist. See how easy that was Gameisha? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyna ♔ Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This is pathetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Which is an example of privilege, and is one of many ways that shows us just how the playing field still isn't level. As I said to Bu, my point is not to blame him, or claim he needs to be the one to change things. My point has been that privilege does in fact play a role in his success, and that there is nothing wrong with acknowledging it, nor does it make him a lesser artist. See how easy that was Gameisha? First off.. JT didn't need the R&B charts to make him popular... But good for him for crossing over so that everyone can enjoy her music despite skin color.. Similar to what the legends have done So this applies to JLo too right? You know since she's not white or black... Selena? Or are you just attacking white people because you, yourself, are filled with self-hate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 this thread filled with fuckery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOtherFan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 First off.. JT didn't need the R&B charts to make him popular... But good for him for crossing over so that everyone can enjoy her music despite skin color.. Similar to what the legends have done So this applies to JLo too right? You know since she's not white or black... Selena? Or are you just attacking white people because you, yourself, are filled with self-hate Of course JT didn't need the R&B charts, because he's automatically placed in the pop charts regardless of the music he releases. Why is that? Say it with me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utopia Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 This is pathetic. A fucking MESS and i haven't read a thing since page 118 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 A fucking MESS and i haven't read a thing since page 118 GUrl....... the only thing I'm here for is the "Carrie" remake your siggy reminds me of ...this shit they on? ....Ch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Of course JT didn't need the R&B charts, because he's automatically placed in the pop charts regardless of the music he releases. Why is that? Say it with me... bc he makes good pop music you ignored the rest... mmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utopia Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 GUrl....... the only thing I'm here for is the "Carrie" remake your siggy reminds me of ...this shit they on? ....Ch. ah ... no mam, we only here for the original Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 ah ... no mam, we only here for the original NO .... Julianne Moore? ....that's worth a DVD rental at least the original shits....BUT....let's wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOtherFan Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 bc he makes good pop music you ignored the rest... mmmm Yet a black person doing the same music would be considered R&B because? Say it with me..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utopia Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 So The experience to cure insomnia part 2 is about to open with something like 350... not too shabby but going by the really bad reviews/no hit singles can we say that it's gonna struggle to reach platinum or even sell 1.5M WW ? will it have the same fate as Yeezus who opened up with same numbers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyna ♔ Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Oh my gosh, I remember this!!! :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 So The experience to cure insomnia part 2 is about to open with something like 350... not too shabby but going by the really bad reviews/no hit singles can we say that it's gonna struggle to reach platinum or even sell 1.5M WW ? will it have the same fate as Yeezus who opened up with same numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I'm in love with this album. The Complete Experience tbh. There's nothing outstanding on here but they're great bops. I absolutely cannot wait for the 20/20 Experience Tour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 So, he's done touring in the US for this project? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 So, he's done touring in the US for this project? No. His own solo tour starts soon in the US then it comes to Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Where da fuck is the US dates? Did I overlook it? I can't find em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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