bu. Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Will it not tarnish his legacy though in this current MeToo climate which the documentary makers are cotailing on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 2 hours ago, bu. said: Will it not tarnish his legacy though in this current MeToo climate which the documentary makers are cotailing on? no this doesn't have the teeth, the allegations are very inconsistent, Wade did the MJ tribute at MTV, chile fucking please and the biggest factor in this "shock nation" is in order to make a statement of outrage we need a punching bag, and dead people don't make very good punch bags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 8 hours ago, Rocknet said: no this doesn't have the teeth, the allegations are very inconsistent, Wade did the MJ tribute at MTV, chile fucking please and the biggest factor in this "shock nation" is in order to make a statement of outrage we need a punching bag, and dead people don't make very good punch bags We know that but the general public doesn’t nor is any of that being reported because they know people will believe them. Sensationalism wins over facts these days. That’s why y’all have that thing as a president and we have brexit on the other side of the pond 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Basically their banking off of dumb people who don't do the research. This isn't Cosby there was proof, this isn't R. Kelly there was proof. This is a situation where the police & the FBI & the media combed through details for years, the difference between Cosby & Kelly vs. this is nobody can say about the MJ shit "We overlooked this/that" nobody overlooked anything, they used everything they could to try to get him on this but nothing ever pointed to him being guilty without a shadow of a doubt. OJ got an innocent verdict because his lawyers successfully turned the narrative of the trial from being about murder to being about racism in the LAPD. R. Kelly got found innocent because the girl in the video didn't take the stand. Michael got found innocent because the boy & his family had a history of attempting to extort celebrities for money, and that's what every single accusor's motive has always been about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 18 hours ago, bu. said: Will it not tarnish his legacy though in this current MeToo climate which the documentary makers are cotailing on? No 15 hours ago, Rocknet said: no this doesn't have the teeth, the allegations are very inconsistent, Wade did the MJ tribute at MTV, chile fucking please and the biggest factor in this "shock nation" is in order to make a statement of outrage we need a punching bag, and dead people don't make very good punch bags That doesn’t matter (that Wade did a tribute performance). That doesn’t determine anything 6 hours ago, jarrylf said: Basically their banking off of dumb people who don't do the research. This isn't Cosby there was proof, this isn't R. Kelly there was proof. This is a situation where the police & the FBI & the media combed through details for years, the difference between Cosby & Kelly vs. this is nobody can say about the MJ shit "We overlooked this/that" nobody overlooked anything, they used everything they could to try to get him on this but nothing ever pointed to him being guilty without a shadow of a doubt. OJ got an innocent verdict because his lawyers successfully turned the narrative of the trial from being about murder to being about racism in the LAPD. R. Kelly got found innocent because the girl in the video didn't take the stand. Michael got found innocent because the boy & his family had a history of attempting to extort celebrities for money, and that's what every single accusor's motive has always been about. I’m not sure what evidence the police & FBI were looking for but unless it’s in the memory/brain of MJ’s victims then MJ was found innocent bc he tampered with a witness and convinced him to testify for MJ (instead of against) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 8 hours ago, bu. said: We know that but the general public doesn’t nor is any of that being reported because they know people will believe them. Sensationalism wins over facts these days. That’s why y’all have that thing as a president and we have brexit on the other side of the pond damn baby Bu well I do think this is different because again MJ isnt here, there's a psychology at play, secretly or not, people enjoy kicking someone down and R Kelly is alive and catching hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Game For Now said: I’m not sure what evidence the police & FBI were looking for but unless it’s in the memory/brain of MJ’s victims then MJ was found innocent bc he tampered with a witness and convinced him to testify for MJ (instead of against) Um...that's not how accusations work, you can't just say "someone did this" and then poof their guilty, you need proof or your story has to in general be iron tight (like Cosby's victims or R. Kelly's, no Jackson accuser ever was found credible period including these 2), they looked through internet history (can't say he had it cleared, it's the FBI they can look at what he'd clear, yet found nothing).They looked through all of his posessions for any proof or trophies, contacted everyone he's ever been affiliated with positively or negatively Their brains aren't good enough, their testimony's would've been if it weren't about money. (also what wade being in the tribute has to do with anything, he went out of his way to scream Michael's innoncence until he got fired from being involved with another MJ project, then his mind changed, so there's that, he didn't just do the 09 tribute, between 09 &13 he went all around the world making bank off of "take classes with someone who danced with MJ") And is there solid proof of this or did you just now come up with it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 45 minutes ago, jarrylf said: Um...that's not how accusations work, you can't just say "someone did this" and then poof their guilty, you need proof or your story has to in general be iron tight (like Cosby's victims or R. Kelly's, no Jackson accuser ever was found credible period including these 2), they looked through internet history (can't say he had it cleared, it's the FBI they can look at what he'd clear, yet found nothing).They looked through all of his posessions for any proof or trophies, contacted everyone he's ever been affiliated with positively or negatively Their brains aren't good enough, their testimony's would've been if it weren't about money. (also what wade being in the tribute has to do with anything, he went out of his way to scream Michael's innoncence until he got fired from being involved with another MJ project, then his mind changed, so there's that, he didn't just do the 09 tribute, between 09 &13 he went all around the world making bank off of "take classes with someone who danced with MJ") And is there solid proof of this or did you just now come up with it? You actually can when it comes to children sex and physical abuse and other crimes. It’s the victim’s word against the abuser. What would MJ search on his computer(s) to make him guilty or innocent of raping a child? Not every child molester keeps trophies or physical evidence aside from hotel rooms, semen, and a traveling companion Wade’s involvement with his abuser’s tribute has nothing to do with being sexually assaulted when he was younger by said abuser you may think it’s weird or strange but for the abused to fall in love with the abuser isn’t far-fetched Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 Quote “My experience with Michael’s threats was that he told me, ‘You and I, Wade, we have to save each other,’ ” recalled Robson. “‘We have to stop these ignorant people. If this gets out, both of our lives are gonna be over. We’re gonna be pulled apart. We’ll both go to jail for the rest of our lives.’ It was like we were in this together, you know?” I 100% believe Wade I undoubtedly believe Wade I believe the words of the victims over the Abuser’s fans who have nothing better to do but to dive so deep to find “evidence” that it didn’t happen by using backstories as a reason it didn’t happen or old trial transcripts that is irrelevant knowingly MJ cohersed these boys. MJ wasn’t a pervert in the sense of kiddy porn or whatever. That’s not what makes an abuser an abuser so check his home and computers and interviewing people he can easily manipulate isn’t proof A cool article MJ wackos wont read bc it goes against their beliefs https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-st-michael-jackson-documentary-wade-robson-james-safechuck-20190220-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, Game For Now said: You actually can when it comes to children sex and physical abuse and other crimes. It’s the victim’s word against the abuser. What would MJ search on his computer(s) to make him guilty or innocent of raping a child? Not every child molester keeps trophies or physical evidence aside from hotel rooms, semen, and a traveling companion Wade’s involvement with his abuser’s tribute has nothing to do with being sexually assaulted when he was younger by said abuser you may think it’s weird or strange but for the abused to fall in love with the abuser isn’t far-fetched not at all, you legitimately have to be proven guilty, people lie all the time, there has to be proof that someone's a victim and proof someone's an abuser and proof beyond a reasonable doubt Child porn, they found tons of porn, but all with adults. But most do. It has EVERYTHING to do with it when the revelation of "being in love" or "being molested" comes after you get fired, and you have zero evidence to back it up and you sue for millions not to prove guilty.. THAT's when it's far fetched. 12 minutes ago, Game For Now said: I undoubtedly believe Wade Ah that is a good point, we all know you can't just say something unless it's true.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, jarrylf said: not at all, you legitimately have to be proven guilty, people lie all the time, there has to be proof that someone's a victim and proof someone's an abuser and proof beyond a reasonable doubt Child porn, they found tons of porn, but all with adults. But most do. It has EVERYTHING to do with it when the revelation of "being in love" or "being molested" comes after you get fired, and you have zero evidence to back it up and you sue for millions not to prove guilty.. THAT's when it's far fetched. Ah that is a good point, we all know you can't just say something unless it's true.... MJ = people = MJ Lied Watch the documentary for their proof.. I will Maybe you should re-read what I said concerning Kiddy porn None of that has to do with their past and that was only Wade’s backstory... Not James You don’t have to believe it but I for sure believe MJ manipulated these boys the way he manipulated his way to propofol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 34 minutes ago, Game For Now said: MJ = people = MJ Lied Watch the documentary for their proof.. I will Maybe you should re-read what I said concerning Kiddy porn None of that has to do with their past and that was only Wade’s backstory... Not James You don’t have to believe it but I for sure believe MJ manipulated these boys the way he manipulated his way to propofol Proof? So they gave proof to the documentary, but not to the courts when they were going for millions? That alone calls bullshit and trickery, you'll watch the documentary for performances and screenplay Oh I read it, but like their story, it doesn't hold up luv Well the desperation for money and the arrogance/ignorance of believing they could get away with it because Michael is dead (and cause Wade no longer works for/with the company) seems to be the shared backstory....based on the evidence we have Ah.......but no proof though, that's what their banking off of, the ignorance of not looking up the information or the facts (we have available) and wanting us to solely take their words (and actions of trying to get so much money). And that's incomparable to any other celeb that's been accused of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 21, 2019 Author Share Posted February 21, 2019 2 hours ago, jarrylf said: Proof? So they gave proof to the documentary, but not to the courts when they were going for millions? That alone calls bullshit and trickery, you'll watch the documentary for performances and screenplay Oh I read it, but like their story, it doesn't hold up luv Well the desperation for money and the arrogance/ignorance of believing they could get away with it because Michael is dead (and cause Wade no longer works for/with the company) seems to be the shared backstory....based on the evidence we have Ah.......but no proof though, that's what their banking off of, the ignorance of not looking up the information or the facts (we have available) and wanting us to solely take their words (and actions of trying to get so much money). And that's incomparable to any other celeb that's been accused of this. Proof he’s human? Bc everyone lies including your idol You still relying on the courts after MJ cohersed his star witness? What was said during trial is moot They aren’t getting paid for the documentary. The only thing they shared is MJ’s bed I haven’t seen much facts to make me not believe the victims. just the same irrelevant “court dockets” “FBI” “Local police”. Nothing that reverses the fact that MJ molested these two brave men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 35 minutes ago, Game For Now said: Proof he’s human? Bc everyone lies including your idol You still relying on the courts after MJ cohersed his star witness? What was said during trial is moot They aren’t getting paid for the documentary. The only thing they shared is MJ’s bed I haven’t seen much facts to make me not believe the victims. just the same irrelevant “court dockets” “FBI” “Local police”. Nothing that reverses the fact that MJ molested these two brave men. But the proof that it's a lie is the difference. Wade wasn't the star witness (the fuck!?!) Wade was 1 of many witnesses, the star witness for his defense would more so be Macaulay Culkin or Corey Feldman (who's literally nameing names of everyone who ever physically & sexually abused him, yet says MJ was 1 of the few adults in his life who didn't), witnesses who had nothing to gain by protecting him, thus their word against him would have enormous weight, more than Wades honestly Yea but they say they're going to try again in courts, no doubt for millions again, and since they weren't believable the last time the practice for this doc has to be a bigger help for their side so they can finally get the money....cause what else can they do....work? I need you to re-read that last part, you're saying....the court, FBI, & police findings are "irrelevant".....yet the words of people who admittedly lied under oath.....who admittedly (in Wade's case) didn't recall "years" of "molestation" until after he got fired from MJ projects and then instead of going straight for speaking out, tries to get millions out of these new memories with no proof to back up, that person's words have more weight than all than all the witnesses found credible (INCLUDING HIMSELF, they didn't just take his word for it they dug into the past and history of everyone who took the stand), all the random raids at MJ's houses, to it's literally devoid of all facts to be on that side. You have nothing to back up the accusation that he did anything inappropriate to those 2 cowardly accusors. Last I checked it was "innocent until PROVEN guilty".....and words aren't evidence....especially words from people that aren't consistent & have ulterior motives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 That’s in the court of law homie. No one is trying to convict a dead man In the court of opinion, MJ molested those boys.. I believe the survivors over some man of power (especially a man of power). Watch the docu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Um...they literally are tho . Their message is "He's Guilty, give us lots of money and attention for changing our minds" So opinion=fact......nah. Everyone with that opinion ignores the facts and plays to "you were accused, so you're guilty" that's not new, people easily moved will think whatever. I might, but it really will be for more material to mock them, and further my points about facts vs. opinion. Like if there was ANYTHING about this with a smoking gun it would've had a bigger wave than it did (like Surviving R.Kelly did almost a year before it came out, vs. this is already being slammed by respected publications for being based on non-proven accounts). Public opinion is actually more torn on it than set on 1 or another. But it just feels great to be on the side backed by facts and evidence vs. speculation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VelvetKnowledge1814 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 The MJ estate has filed a lawsuit against HBO. Apparently the estate wants an arbitration, which would compel HBO to be open about everything surrounding this documentary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 22, 2019 Author Share Posted February 22, 2019 18 hours ago, VelvetKnowledge1814 said: The MJ estate has filed a lawsuit against HBO. Apparently the estate wants an arbitration, which would compel HBO to be open about everything surrounding this documentary. weak af HBO didn’t make the documentary.. they’re only airing it Their reasoning behind suing is some tour contract from 27 years ago and it can’t be upheld bc MJ is dead HBO is still airing the documentary and the Estate is PRESSSSSSSED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laveaux Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Game, what is your issue with Michael Joseph Jackson? I'm curious. I'm sure you've explained it before but humor me I don't care for him either but you can be extra per usual 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 7 hours ago, Voodoo said: Game, what is your issue with Michael Joseph Jackson? I'm curious. I'm sure you've explained it before but humor me I don't care for him either but you can be extra per usual “Per usual” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 16 hours ago, Voodoo said: Game, what is your issue with Michael Joseph Jackson? I'm curious. I'm sure you've explained it before but humor me I don't care for him either but you can be extra per usual I love watching his Wackos freak out They are ALL pressed! it’s funny watching them defend a previous strung out sexual abuser as if they were in his bedroom parties or on tour with him or even as close to him as these two survivors were 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I mean the wackos know the case more than any of the GP so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, bu. said: I mean the wackos know the case more than any of the GP so They know the cases... not MJ or what he did to these children behind the scenes They try to question the credibility and that’s all they have on these two which isn’t strong evidence at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 People only know & can know what evidence shows....not opinions that can change when you get fired or your bank accounts need some inflation....like the evidence shows. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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