Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 yeah I'm sure it's really light. Thus the fan and the complaints from her background singers who even asked if they could remove clothing. They wear less than her by the way and still feel hot as hell on the stage. The fans were there for every show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreelovesJJ Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Because the future on her child depends on great health (especially for her age) and taking care of self... Not following some ancient fairytale book. Religion is not healthcare. Prayer isn't healthcare... You also mentioned Allah for some reason. Janet literally says God in that same song and many other songs. She never came out as Muslim.. Quit assuming Your cynacism doesn't make some else's faith and the results of said faith void. Whether she said Allah or God it does not discredit her being a Muslim. I believe actions and there is other language besides direct words such as symbolism, body language, suggestive, & many more. So you're assuming she's not because she didn't say it, I'm assuming she is because she seems to be promoting it IRONICALLY now that she's tied into a traditionally Muslim family. All the way down to procreating, and I'm very sure that child will be Muslim like its mother and father. Also despite the common belief about women being in such bad shape to have children later in life, Janet comes from a mother who had her "late". Genetically she might be just fine having that child later. It wasn't uncommon for women in the past to do it. I'm sure under the right care and with her strong faith guiding them she will have health. Also, for faith & belief to play no parts in healthcare there seems to be miracles that go unexplained in healthcare. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontologicalummah Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 It's really sad how Islamphobic some Janet fans are. People create this cariacture of Wissam as this big scary Muslim man that controls every facet of her life without having any sort of proof and or experience with Islam and or Muslims. Also the way some fans(mostly men) police her body as if she owes it to them to show skin in an ironic way is just as misogynistic as those who force women to cover. Having agency is a two way street and Janet has exercised both extremes in her life and has lived in her authentic truth. We don't know if she's Muslim(I'm inclined to believe so) but she married a Muslim man who she obviously loves so please stop trying to denigrate her husband and his religion by extension because you're unhappy."Cause I don't see why loving someone or what I do seems so radical to you" 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freexone1 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) She's obviously a Muslim now. An American (assumed to be Christian as of 2011, confirmed in 'true you') doesn't just start saying 'inshallah' for the fun of it. Whats islamophobic? What's wrong with having an issue with a religion that is the furthest from our western values. That's not islamophobic, it's just genuine concern. Janet becoming a Muslim doesn't add up. It's not her. This is a woman who once sang free xone, now endorsing a religion that is so against homosexuality. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find that 'peaceful'. Janet is not in control if she is indeed following the religion and living in the Middle East. Given that she is married to a Muslim man who lives in the Middle East, one can assume she has converted. Edited April 8, 2016 by Freexone1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Posted April 8, 2016 Author Share Posted April 8, 2016 Who cares if she's Muslim... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freexone1 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Who cares if she's Muslim...Of course. It's her choice, and doesn't affect any of us personally. But we can discuss. It's a discussion board. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) She's obviously a Muslim now. An American (assumed to be Christian as of 2011, confirmed in 'true you') doesn't just start saying 'inshallah' for the fun of it. Whats islamophobic? What's wrong with having an issue with a religion that is the furthest from our western values. That's not islamophobic, it's just genuine concern. Janet becoming a Muslim doesn't add up. It's not her. This is a woman who once sang free xone, now endorsing a religion that is so against homosexuality. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find that 'peaceful'. Janet is not in control if she is indeed following the religion and living in the Middle East. Given that she is married to a Muslim man who lives in the Middle East, one can assume she has converted. Christianity is against homosexuality too as is Judaism. Stop singling out Islam. Edited April 8, 2016 by Dammn Bu 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontologicalummah Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Don't use gay rights to justify your bigotry. Like others have said none of the 3 Abrahamic faiths explicitly endorse homosexuality and if that's really your concern you would be advocating that Janet be an atheist. Janet didn't marry an Imam(Islamic faith leader/preacher) she married a Qatari billionaire educated in the West. The fact that they even dated before marriage and that he was interested in a woman married previously is indicative of the fact that he's not necessarily a strict Muslim. I won't comment on his religiosity since that's between him and Allah(swt) but to pretend that because you're X religion you follow everything to the T and have to hate anyone is a reach. In the West you have trans people beat and killed every day, "re-education" camps that attempt to convert gay people, etc so to insinsuate that "Muslims" or people in the third world/non-West are more bigoted than their Western counterparts is a reach.I guarantee you Wissam over the past decade has been around Janet's LGBTQ friends and I doubt Janet would have remained in a relationship with someone who actively discriminated against that community.And what do you mean by "our" Western values? Not everyone in the West is an Anglo-saxon christian and the values you speak of are hegemonic and are the result of hundreds of years of colonialism and white supremacy. The West is made up of several different ethnicities, cultures, and religions.Janet is very lowkey and besides saying "inshAllah", dressing a bit more modestly, and song lyrics she doesn't make her religion a focal point of her public identity. Even when she was a Christian she didn't preach to people and took a more laid back "spiritual" approach. If you think Islam is a religion of hatred then what's your solution seeing as 1.3 billion people identify as Muslim(including myself). Are you going to avoid us? Deport us? Kill us? Convert us like the Europeans did the Jews during the Inquisition? Yes this is a discussion board but I don't think you're an expert on Islam and I don't think it's fair for you to imply that Janet is being coerced or is somehow going against her values. Until Janet/Wissam go on a homophobic rant please LUFTA 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 She's obviously a Muslim now. An American (assumed to be Christian as of 2011, confirmed in 'true you') doesn't just start saying 'inshallah' for the fun of it. Whats islamophobic? What's wrong with having an issue with a religion that is the furthest from our western values. That's not islamophobic, it's just genuine concern. Janet becoming a Muslim doesn't add up. It's not her. This is a woman who once sang free xone, now endorsing a religion that is so against homosexuality. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find that 'peaceful'. Janet is not in control if she is indeed following the religion and living in the Middle East. Given that she is married to a Muslim man who lives in the Middle East, one can assume she has converted. Inshallah is equivalent to saying "good bye" which derives from "God be with you". It's has nothing to do with religion as it does with language. Just bc Janet learned a new word in a foreign language does not make her that language's official religion. That's what makes it a phobia and ignorant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Your cynacism doesn't make some else's faith and the results of said faith void. Whether she said Allah or God it does not discredit her being a Muslim. I believe actions and there is other language besides direct words such as symbolism, body language, suggestive, & many more. So you're assuming she's not because she didn't say it, I'm assuming she is because she seems to be promoting it IRONICALLY now that she's tied into a traditionally Muslim family. All the way down to procreating, and I'm very sure that child will be Muslim like its mother and father. Also despite the common belief about women being in such bad shape to have children later in life, Janet comes from a mother who had her "late". Genetically she might be just fine having that child later. It wasn't uncommon for women in the past to do it. I'm sure under the right care and with her strong faith guiding them she will have health. Also, for faith & belief to play no parts in healthcare there seems to be miracles that go unexplained in healthcare. I don't care what you believe. Your "belief" is a stack of assumptions Religion isn't healthcare PS: Kathy was 35 when she birth Janet Damita Jo Jackson. 35. Not 50. Proof you're talking out your ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 He said himself he has lost money because he will not associate with businesses that operate with alcoholic beverages Let's rewind: He said he has turned down companies who wanted to expand in Dubai bc they serve pork & alcohol, ad photos, etc bc These companies wouldn't change their menus in order or style to market to the cultural of that region. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Don't use gay rights to justify your bigotry. Like others have said none of the 3 Abrahamic faiths explicitly endorse homosexuality and if that's really your concern you would be advocating that Janet be an atheist. Janet didn't marry an Imam(Islamic faith leader/preacher) she married a Qatari billionaire educated in the West. The fact that they even dated before marriage and that he was interested in a woman married previously is indicative of the fact that he's not necessarily a strict Muslim. I won't comment on his religiosity since that's between him and Allah(swt) but to pretend that because you're X religion you follow everything to the T and have to hate anyone is a reach. In the West you have trans people beat and killed every day, "re-education" camps that attempt to convert gay people, etc so to insinsuate that "Muslims" or people in the third world/non-West are more bigoted than their Western counterparts is a reach.I guarantee you Wissam over the past decade has been around Janet's LGBTQ friends and I doubt Janet would have remained in a relationship with someone who actively discriminated against that community.And what do you mean by "our" Western values? Not everyone in the West is an Anglo-saxon christian and the values you speak of are hegemonic and are the result of hundreds of years of colonialism and white supremacy. The West is made up of several different ethnicities, cultures, and religions.Janet is very lowkey and besides saying "inshAllah", dressing a bit more modestly, and song lyrics she doesn't make her religion a focal point of her public identity. Even when she was a Christian she didn't preach to people and took a more laid back "spiritual" approach. If you think Islam is a religion of hatred then what's your solution seeing as 1.3 billion people identify as Muslim(including myself). Are you going to avoid us? Deport us? Kill us? Convert us like the Europeans did the Jews during the Inquisition? Yes this is a discussion board but I don't think you're an expert on Islam and I don't think it's fair for you to imply that Janet is being coerced or is somehow going against her values. Until Janet/Wissam go on a homophobic rant please LUFTADRAG ha! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodienda76 Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) She's obviously a Muslim now. An American (assumed to be Christian as of 2011, confirmed in 'true you') doesn't just start saying 'inshallah' for the fun of it. Whats islamophobic? What's wrong with having an issue with a religion that is the furthest from our western values. That's not islamophobic, it's just genuine concern. Janet becoming a Muslim doesn't add up. It's not her. This is a woman who once sang free xone, now endorsing a religion that is so against homosexuality. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to find that 'peaceful'. Janet is not in control if she is indeed following the religion and living in the Middle East. Given that she is married to a Muslim man who lives in the Middle East, one can assume she has converted. So you have a problem with Islam but not christianity? Because christianity is aslo against homosexuals. In fact, the god of the bible, calls soecifically for gay men to be "put to death." Janet is also friends with Gil. So what the hell are you talking about? Just like followers of the bible. Many Muslims ignore the horrors in the Quran, and are modernized. Not all of Islam is ISIS! That was a mouth full of racist, Islamaphobic, and empty assumtions you made in one post. Edited April 8, 2016 by Jodienda76 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedElegance™ Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Religion is the pits. All of them. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xoney Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) Christianity is against homosexuality too as is Judaism. Stop singling out Islam. No one is singling out Islam. She's married to a muslim not a Jew, so how is it relevant that homosexuality is frowned upon in Judaism too?LMAO I just can't. And for the record, all religions are pretty awful - Islam is just one of the worst. "Islamophobia" is just a term used to stifle any criticism against awful nonsense. Edited April 8, 2016 by xoney 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxmo Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Inshallah is equivalent to saying "good bye" which derives from "God be with you". It's has nothing to do with religion as it does with language. Just bc Janet learned a new word in a foreign language does not make her that language's official religion. That's what makes it a phobia and ignorant. Inshalah is not a good bye it's mean " if God want " and we are not saying that just to be cute. janet always choose the right word, she is definetely more Muslim than something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illi Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I honestly rather have this religious talk than Janet constantly being trashed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oxmo Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 No one is singling out Islam. She's married to a muslim not a Jew, so how is it relevant that homosexuality is frowned upon in Judaism too?LMAO I just can't. And for the record, all religions are pretty awful - Islam is just one of the worst. "Islamophobia" is just a term used to stifle any criticism against awful nonsense. I'm wondering what do you know about Islam? I guess nothing. .. it's a beautiful religion and a peaceful one. Maybe read the Coran and have your own point of view, it's not about hate but about love and peace.Saying that a religion is awful is pretty offensive and insulting for all the Muslim. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxmo Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I mean how great it must be to just put on a niqab and go to a shopping mall unrecognized like a normal person. J & W seem very happy together. I'm sure he is very happy - he can have the sexy Jjust for your information you can wear a dress or a skirt and go to shopping in middle east. Don't be so reductive about middle east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FreelovesJJ Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 I don't care what you believe. Your "belief" is a stack of assumptions Religion isn't healthcare PS: Kathy was 35 when she birth Janet Damita Jo Jackson. 35. Not 50. Proof you're talking out your ass 35 is considered late and high risk in today's healthcare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Inshalah is not a good bye it's mean " if God want " and we are not saying that just to be cute. janet always choose the right word, she is definetely more Muslim than something else. good bye meant "God be with you" You're crossing language with religion. Installah is Arabic. It doesn't mean the person saying it is Muslim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 All this is pure speculation, so I apologize if I hurt someone's feelings. But... We can criticize her religious beliefs but the fact is that she has chosen to be with a muslim guy, she has chosen to be a muslim (at least that's what I believe) and she has chosen to live in a strict muslim country, she has chosen a new life. Maybe, for this new life, she has had to make difficult choices and sacrifices, but maybe it has also given her so many good things that she feels its worth it. Maybe she even thinks it's much better than her older life. We don't know! Yes, sometimes I do wonder how the Moist/Anything/Discipline/Freexone Janet chose to move to a country so different from her origin, but maybe she enjoys it. I mean how great it must be to just put on a niqab and go to a shopping mall unrecognized like a normal person. J & W seem very happy together. I'm sure he is very happy - he can have the sexy Janet & the nipples all to himself. lol I always felt J is kind of very submissive, super sweet, loyal and kind partner, and she has even stated in interviews herself how she learned from her mother to "stick by her man no matter what". I could definitely imagine her as the housewife type. So in that sense it doesn't surprise me that she ended up with a Middle Eastern man. The life is different and in many ways more controlled but I'm sure there are lots of things she enjoys about her new life.What you believe and what is factual are two different things.Your belief is just that.. Opinion. Poorly constructed opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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