hotboy06 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Hit singles..hit album..sold out concert.. No wonder the girls are scared to release anything.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Hit singles..hit album..sold out concert.. No wonder the girls are scared to release anything.. iCant with you and that gif King Bey... Where are you?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bu. Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 King Bey... Where are you?! That Beytch is working my last nerve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotboy06 Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 iCant with you and that gif King Bey... Where are you?! It's become one of my fave gifs of all time. Carly is so fucking shady and I live for her on GH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 iCant with you and that gif King Bey... Where are you?! Currently making arrangements to postpone her shit to nxt year, I hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Its about time you people started giving me my props for being an all knowing all seeing music industry prophet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Currently making arrangements to postpone her shit to nxt year, I hear. when is Kelly Rowland releasing her flop? That's when Bey will released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 when is Kelly Rowland releasing her flop? That's when Bey will released oop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSimba Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 Man, fell 3.2% short of a million - that's gotta suck. (j/p ~ calm down lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted March 27, 2013 Author Share Posted March 27, 2013 Man, fell 3.2% short of a million - that's gotta suck. (j/p ~ calm down lol) HE FLOP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escapade Posted March 27, 2013 Share Posted March 27, 2013 A very nice read! The Justin Timberlake Race Debate Justin Timberlake’s The 20/20 Experience was only released last week but the set has already made chart history. Boasting massive opening sales and rave reviews from critics, the album has been lauded for returning R&B music to the top of the charts. Yet, does Timberlake’s success stem from the fact that he is white? As much as debates relating to race have become increasingly taboo in the post-Obama era of popular culture, Timberlake’s accomplishments have presented an interesting case for us to discuss an interesting situation. Indeed, with R&B music currently marginalised on the airwaves, he has achieved what would be otherwise impossible for minority artists who have been struggling to find their footing on the charts during the last five years. Despite its tiring length and a few dated productions by Timbaland – well, the shadow of the once revolutionary producer who has long lost his touch – The 20/20 Experience is undoubtedly a solid body of work that deserves positive recognition. In fact, if I made the time to review it, I would have given it at least a healthy 3.5 stars as Timberlake’s first undeniably R&B album and a risky ode to the Motown era. However, although it boasts the highest opening sales for an R&B set since Usher’s Confessions in 2004, the material on The 20/20 Experience doesn’t reflect the way it was received by eager consumers. Rather, the album pales in comparison to the far more impressive works of several minority R&B acts during the last decade, including Miguel’s Kaleidoscope Dream. This is where race – I prefer to say ethnicity but I’ll use the common lingo for the purposes of this article – becomes a fact. The 20/20 Experience sold 968K copies in the US during its first week but Miguel’s Kaleidoscope Dream has moved less than 350K since being released in September 2012 (six months ago). Even more established minority R&B acts, including Usher (post-Confessions) Beyonce, Mary J. Blige and Alicia Keys, haven’t come close to matching Timberlake’s sales. Is it because he is white? Honestly, it is impossible to deny that Timberlake’s race has been a factor of his success. The simple fact that he is white man has given him access to a market that would otherwise ignore the music on The 20/20 Experience if he was Latino, African-American or just any shade of brown on a scale of Mariah Carey to Kelly Rowland. You know the members of the KKK aren’t publicly bumping and grinding to Miguel’s “Adorn”. Usually, I would launch into a discussion that explains the difference between race, ethnicity and the various distinctions of colour that govern social stratification but this is not that type of blog. Now, let’s get back to the purpose of this article before I confuse the readers who don’t have vocabularies beyond the words ‘shade’, ‘hater’ and ‘drag’. There are several other major reasons for the success of The 20/20 Experience. Unlike Christina Aguilera, who changed her sound on so many occasions that she has yet to develop a steady core fan base, Timberlake has cultivated a following during the last ten years and they happily purchase his music. That audience also spans across various age groups, including the tough to convince over 35 crowd who represent the biggest album-buying market. Timberlake’s music on The 20/20 Experience also represents an artist with a clear approach to his craft and that made it easier to satisfy his target audience. Usher, Ne-Yo and Chris Brown all tried to juggle both Dance/Pop and R&B with their respective albums, and the results were far from favourable. In fact, the former pair were repeatedly slammed by both fans and critics for abandoning their roots. The 20/20 Experience, on the other hand, is an artistic progression from his previous offering, FutureSex/LoveSounds, rather than a detour into new territory. It’s what Thriller was to Michael Jackson’s Off the Wall, although obviously not as good as either of those records. Finally, Timberlake’s The 20/20 Experience promotional campaign has also been much larger than the most minority R&B acts. In addition to building momentum during the few months with timely releases and media propaganda, Timberlake performed on several major telecasts – Saturday Night Live and the 2013 Grammy Awards were the biggest – and teamed with DIRECTV, Bud Light Platinum, Clear Channel and Target for further support. Of course, we can’t forget the numerous placements he secured across radio and the internet. The handling of The 20/20 Experience by Timberlake’s label and management team has been flawless. Therefore, Timberlake’s success with The 20/20 Experience was partially based on the fact that he is a white man but to assume that the colour of his skin, race or ethnicity were the sole contributors to his impact would be inaccurate. Yes, it would be nice to see minority artists excelling on the charts alongside Timberlake and labels proving them with similar support but until that great day finally arrives, we have to continue to dream the impossible dream. Long live The Great White Hope. This is from Trent's blog btw and no I don't feel like highlighting the important parts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illi Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Sorry. Race has nothing to do with it. It sold mainly off of high anticipation and high promotion. Don't think for a second this will be R&B back because of this. He's not exactly reinventing the wheel, so if anyone else sang anything like Suit and Tie, etc., it would not go far. His stuff is going far because it is Justin. But congrats either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EphraimAdamz Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 Race has everything to do with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escapade Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I don't think race plays that big of a part because like Trent pointed out, didn't Usher get similar first week sales with "Confessions"? Also Lil Wayne sold around the same with The Carter III (his best album imo). I think it had more to do with the anticipation and huge promo that was done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kishi Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 No one here is illiterate, they are capable of reading. Nice blog. I see his points and feel that Justin will always have a wider audience when compared to R&B artists. Since his days with N*SYNC he's had pop on lock and once the "Celebrity" album came around, they went after an urban audience with "Gone" and "Girlfriend". That set him up nicely for "Justified" and the rest is history... Blaming race to me is just a lazy excuse for the close minded. Thanks for posting!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escapade Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 No one here is illiterate, they are capable of reading. Nice blog. I see his points and feel that Justin will always have a wider audience when compared to R&B artists. Since his days with N*SYNC he's had pop on lock and once the "Celebrity" album came around, they went after an urban audience with "Gone" and "Girlfriend". That set him up nicely for "Justified" and the rest is history... Blaming race to me is just a lazy excuse for the close minded. Thanks for posting!! No prob! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I don't think race plays that big of a part because like Trent pointed out, didn't Usher get similar first week sales with "Confessions"? Also Lil Wayne sold around the same with The Carter III (his best album imo). I think it had more to do with the anticipation and huge promo that was done. Point BLANK,PERIOD. Like black artists dont ever open with huge numbers. These ppl on here,I swear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laveaux Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 No one here is illiterate, they are capable of reading. Nice blog. I see his points and feel that Justin will always have a wider audience when compared to R&B artists. Since his days with N*SYNC he's had pop on lock and once the "Celebrity" album came around, they went after an urban audience with "Gone" and "Girlfriend". That set him up nicely for "Justified" and the rest is history... Blaming race to me is just a lazy excuse for the close minded. Thanks for posting!! exactly. Oh how they forget.... not to mention that he is a smart artist that knows how to market himself. When I saw the promo for his album and his performances...I can tell his shit is thoroughly thought out and planned...I cannot say the same about his pop contemporaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 exactly. Oh how they forget.... not to mention that he is a smart artist that knows how to market himself. When I saw the promo for his album and his performances...I can tell his shit is thoroughly thought out and planned...I cannot say the same about his pop contemporaries. B.I.N.G.O Its silly for ppl to be hating on any type of marketing strategy considering its fucking hard as fuck to moves units these dayz. However you move em shouldnt matter cuz its a feat within itself. They can seriously miss me with the booshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laveaux Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 B.I.N.G.O Its silly for ppl to be hating on any type of marketing strategy considering its fucking hard as fuck to moves units these dayz. However you move em shouldnt matter cuz its a feat within itself. They can seriously miss me with the booshit. I find it funny that people put Justin on the same level as Usher. Not to take anything away from Usher because I think he is an incredible performer/entertainer when he wants to be, but Justin Timberlake wears and fits the 'artist' hat a little bit better. I just feel like Justin is on a whole different level, especially since he is able to produce songs for other artist. There is something to be said about that. I just get the feeling that Justin wants to cultivate and evolve his craft, I don't get that feeling from Usher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I find it funny that people put Justin on the same level as Usher. Not to take anything away from Usher because I think he is an incredible performer/entertainer when he wants to be, but Justin Timberlake wears and fits the 'artist' hat a little bit better. I just feel like Justin is on a whole different level, especially since he is able to produce songs for other artist. There is something to be said about that. I just get the feeling that Justin wants to cultivate and evolve his craft, I don't get that feeling from Usher. OMG thats EXACTLY what I have been preaching for soooo long on here but ppl thought I was crazy. JT just embodies what an artist is to me...wayyyy more than Usher. Finallyyyyyyyy someone who sees what I see. He just seems more well rounded artistically ...Usher just doesnt have that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 I find it funny that people put Justin on the same level as Usher. Not to take anything away from Usher because I think he is an incredible performer/entertainer when he wants to be, but Justin Timberlake wears and fits the 'artist' hat a little bit better. I just feel like Justin is on a whole different level, especially since he is able to produce songs for other artist. There is something to be said about that. I just get the feeling that Justin wants to cultivate and evolve his craft, I don't get that feeling from Usher. .....except Usher has written & produced for other artist, and has had his own label for almost 10 years........ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laveaux Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 .....except Usher has written & produced for other artist, and has had his own label for almost 10 years........ he may as well have and that's great, but that still doesn't change the fact that he isn't on the same level artistically as Justin Timberlake. And I could care.less about him having his own label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 he may as well have and that's great, but that still doesn't change the fact that he isn't on the same level artistically as Justin Timberlake. And I could care.less about him having his own label. But the actual fact is technically Usher's more successful as a producer if we're going by numbers and success by just writting with and producing for Bieber alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aed05 Posted March 28, 2013 Share Posted March 28, 2013 .....except Usher has written & produced for other artist, and has had his own label for almost 10 years........ I can't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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