JoeJoe Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 The argument can be made that you hate what you are (a man) simply for having sex with another man. So, yes, having an issue with a fem gay or butch lesbian is self-hate. It is ingrained. You don't want what they are and what they gravitate towards innately to be seen as reflection upon yourself. You don't want to be seen as "less of a man", so you "hate" it because you feel people see them and think they incorrectly represent you. NO its not Especially if both the fem and the masculine are both comfortable with their sexual orientation that wouldn't make it self hate. That would actually make no sense. What if Ricky Martin who's a proud and open gay man said he doesn't like feminine gay men? Would that mean he has self hate? Remember he's an openly gay entertainer and proud to be gay...so you're saying he hates part of himself? Nah I don't think so melon drops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaria Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 This thread should be euthanized now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 So again, your point is he's wrong from being effeminate.... *Reads aed05's post again* Yes, it is my ignorance that is showing... He can be effeminate in a suit much like Janet can be feminine in a suit Well true.. you're just agreeing to her ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOtherFan Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 NO its not Especially if both the fem and the masculine are both comfortable with their sexual orientation that wouldn't make it self hate. That would actually make no sense. What if Ricky Martin who's a proud and open gay man said he doesn't like feminine gay men? Would that mean he has self hate? Remember he's an openly gay entertainer and proud to be gay...so you're saying he hates part of himself? Nah I don't think so melon drops You said if you were to say a fem gay hates being man and that somehow that isn't self-hate. Why does a masc gay usually dislike a fem gay? Because to them the fem gay portrays stereotypes and preconceived notions about gay men. In the context of this topic, it is entirely relevant, and yet it is a form of self hate. He can be effeminate in a suit much like Janet can be feminine in a suit Well true.. you're just agreeing to her ignorance. So again, you're blaming him for being effeminate. *Reads aed05's post again* Yes, I definitely agree with this "ignorance" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kishi Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 JoeJoe, I have to correct you... B. Scott is a male who identifies his sexual orientation as gay and dresses in an androgynous fashion because that's how he chooses to express himself. He doesn't wish to be a woman and he doesn't hate himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aed05 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 You're saying that because some gays can't stand when other gays behave a certain way it means they hate themselves? No. It means they have disdain for elements of who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escapade Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 It's just puzzling. If they wanted a conservative male they should've hired one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aed05 Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 It's just puzzling. If they wanted a conservative male they should've hired one. BINGO!!!!!!! I get the feeling a new, young exec had the idea to hire B. Scott, then when the some of the old heads got wind of it they freaked and had him pulled at the last minute. Goes to show how out of touch some of these old heads are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 You said if you were to say a fem gay hates being man and that somehow that isn't self-hate. Why does a masc gay usually dislike a fem gay? Because to them the fem gay portrays stereotypes and preconceived notions about gay men. In the context of this topic, it is entirely relevant, and yet it is a form of self hate. So again, you're blaming him for being effeminate. *Reads aed05's post again* Yes, I definitely agree with this "ignorance" According to who? You can't say that about every masculine man. I gave an example of Ricky Martin and you're still trying to say that Ricky has a form of self hate if that were the case right? Nah I don't think so JoeJoe, I have to correct you... B. Scott is a male who identifies his sexual orientation as gay and dresses in an androgynous fashion because that's how he chooses to express himself. He doesn't wish to be a woman and he doesn't hate himself. Yeah that's exactly what I was saying. You guys are saying that it's a form of self hate if another gay man doesn't like the behavior of another gay man and I've been saying all along just because they don't like it mean it's self hate Gays don't have to like the way other gay men behave plain and simple and soon as they don't y'all wanna say it's self hate. I don't think so It means they have disdain for elements of who they are. according to who? You? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 It means they have disdain for elements of who they are. No it most definitely does not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 No it most definitely does not exactly! I mean like wtf is really goin' on? lol They're basically saying that if a masculine gay man finds it unlikeable for another gay man to behave like a woman it's because the masculine man has a feminine side of himself that he hates. WTH That's kind of like stereotyping masculine gay men. It's like when I was little I thought all gay men acted like girls cause one of my momma's good friends was a man who dressed as a woman. I was about 15 and one day a female friend of mine said "Look at that guy...he's gay" and he had on a t-shirt and a baseball hat on, talked like a man, his posture and demeanor were just like any other man, his walk and everything so I told her "No he's not gay". She said yes he is i'm telling you. After that I found out he was actually gay and it opened my eyes that anybody could be gay and they don't have to be feminine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOtherFan Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 exactly! I mean like wtf is really goin' on? lol They're basically saying that if a masculine gay man finds it unlikeable for another gay man to behave like a woman it's because the masculine man has a feminine side of himself that he hates. WTH That's kind of like stereotyping masculine gay men. It's like when I was little I thought all gay men acted like girls cause one of my momma's good friends was a man who dressed as a woman. I was about 15 and one day a female friend of mine said "Look at that guy...he's gay" and he had on a t-shirt and a baseball hat on, talked like a man, his posture and demeanor were just like any other man, his walk and everything so I told her "No he's not gay". She said yes he is i'm telling you. After that I found out he was actually gay and it opened my eyes that anybody could be gay and they don't have to be feminine No, that's not what we're saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 No, that's not what we're saying. exactly! I mean like wtf is really goin' on? lol They're basically saying that if a masculine gay man finds it unlikeable for another gay man to behave like a woman it's because the masculine man has a feminine side of himself that he hates. WTH That's kind of like stereotyping masculine gay men. It's like when I was little I thought all gay men acted like girls cause one of my momma's good friends was a man who dressed as a woman. I was about 15 and one day a female friend of mine said "Look at that guy...he's gay" and he had on a t-shirt and a baseball hat on, talked like a man, his posture and demeanor were just like any other man, his walk and everything so I told her "No he's not gay". She said yes he is i'm telling you. After that I found out he was actually gay and it opened my eyes that anybody could be gay and they don't have to be feminine No.. they're pretending as if we masculine gays are focusing our "anger" or "self-hatred" on another gay and/or topic. And it's simply not the case... I don't judge people... be yourself.. be your true you... I have preached on that forum all the time... but don't go to work in heels and make up... not everyone is as accepting and some people need to realize that... The world doesn't evolve around (in this case) B Scott.. There's one in every city on every block... but they go to work and leave their play-time for play time The gay perception has changed.. and now more masculine gay men are coming out.. and that's a beautiful thing.. The CEO of Apple is gay.. You wouldn't necessarily know that unless you google'd him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSimba Posted August 7, 2013 Author Share Posted August 7, 2013 Apparently he's suing BET for $2.5 million! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 See, by him suing... It makes it hard to side with.his position becuz he's doin wayyyy too much. Let it go...he's being ridiculous. We all would be rich if we sued for discrimination. Are u kidding me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted August 7, 2013 Share Posted August 7, 2013 Another frivolous lawsuit. I really hope he loses but this really discriminates him against future job opportunities with many companies. A lawsuit against BET is a lawsuit against VIACOM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 He gon' lose smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 BET may settle to save face and BScott gets more attention Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 BET may settle to save face and BScott gets more attention he's basically suing cause they said change clothes. He can't say they were homophobic cause they wouldn't of hired him if that were the case. IDK what the judge is gonna think lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I want to see the paper work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 B. Scott -- an openly gay transgender person -- is suing BET, claiming the network humiliated him during the recent BET Awards by yanking him off the show because he was wearing women's clothes. Scott claims in his lawsuit -- obtained by TMZ -- he was hired to be the Style Stage Correspondent for the pre-show in June. At the beginning of the show, Scott claims he was wearing a flowing black tunic and black pants ... which he says were approved by BET honchos. Scott claims after the first segment of the pre-show, he was pulled backstage and told his garb wasn't acceptable. Scott says he was ordered to "mute the makeup, pull back his hair" and remove the women's wear ... which included heels. Scott says they forced him to change into men's clothing [see below]. Nonetheless ... Scott says he was still 86'd from the show and replaced by Adrienne Bailon. Scott says he was humiliated and suffered damage to his reputation, claiming BET is guilty of discrimination based on gender identity as well as sexual orientation. He wants $2.5 million minimum from BET. Calls to BET were not returned. Frivolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I want to see the paper work I wonder who and what they said to him to make him think he could sue them for making him change clothes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I wonder who and what they said to him to make him think he could sue them for making him change clothes we will have to see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistedEleganceâ„¢ Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 BET is indeed guilty of gender discrimination if they told him to scrap his makeup and remove the womenswear. Sexual orientation, I don't think so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trackboy Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 The most frivilous lawsuit of all time. His court documents are suing because BET asked him to change to another pre-approved outfit and because Angela Simmons had a budget for clothes and who ever handled his negotiations didn't secure him a budget. When you are trendsetting for a certain minority of the population and trailblazing your way in, all of your professional actions you should think about how its going to affect others that may come after you. If he was truly wronged, which we only have one side of the story (a weird one at that), then I believe there was a better way to handle this then suing for $2.5 million. Now corporations who may have been open to the idea of hiring androgynous and/or transgendered people as personalities for their brand, may think twice, if it becomes this easy to sue for discrimination when there is a disagreement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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