The Official Beyoncé Thread

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

Whose that white woman?

[bu.]

The lady who is going to be #1 on the Hot 100 and has been on everyone's mind for the past few days.

[HollyHood]

She needs to work more with Sia because the best track on this album is the first one.

And Bey, STAHP trying to be white. You're contradicting Pretty Hurts' message.

[Mr. Wonder]

We said "Mine" is a boring song, not that the album is boring. Unless you're prepared to give us a write-up from a professional, you aren't fit to say who does or doesn't know music. Also, to say it's boring is an opinion, and one that doesn't even require much musical knowledge to give at that. You can find a body of work to be boring or exciting regardless of how much you know about music.

And opinions can very much so be wrong, or in this case, baseless. To give an opinion requires one to support it, and without any musical knowledge the opinion is just as I stated, baseless. You can't give an opinion without knowledge of the topic at hand - which seems to be the MO around here - as opinions are derived from a set of facts. So

[Escapade]

I like "Mine", love it actually but I could def tell it was a Drake song on first listen. He tends to have the same sound on every song IMO. It's still one of my fav songs on the album though.

[Mr. Wonder]

Most favorite thing a fan says about artists' albums that don't have pop radio appeal... ARTPOP, Yeezus, and now 'Beyonce'

ARTPOP is. Any song specific to a genre doesn't have direct pop appeal. It's all risky to a degree.

[Rock & Roll Hall of Game]

ARTPOP is. Any song specific to a genre doesn't have direct pop appeal. It's all risky to a degree.

Ehhhh

Okay

[Reyna ♔]

And opinions can very much so be wrong, or in this case, baseless. To give an opinion requires one to support it, and without any musical knowledge the opinion is just as I stated, baseless. You can't give an opinion without knowledge of the topic at hand - which seems to be the MO around here - as opinions are derived from a set of facts. So like I said , only ppl who don't know music think it's boring.

"Wrong" would imply an objective "right", which is why I said to post a write-up from a professional who indeed knows music if we are truly "wrong". The only base someone needs to say something is boring or exciting to them is to experience it. That opinion can be formed based on whether something, in this case the song, appeals to them. We both formed an opinion, which is subjective, supported it based on our listening to the song. We both heard the song as well as the full album, and can freely give an opinion about it whether you like it or not. There is nothing in that opinion that would require thorough musical knowledge. If we said it was poorly composed or produced, then you'd have an argument. Here, you don't. Better luck next time.

[Bailey]

"Wrong" would imply an objective "right", which is why I said to post a write-up from a professional who indeed knows music if we are truly "wrong". The only base someone needs to say something is boring or exciting to them is to experience it. That opinion can be formed based on whether something, in this case the song, appeals to them. We both formed an opinion, which is subjective, supported it based on our listening to the song. We both heard the song as well as the full album, and can freely give an opinion about it whether you like it or not. There is nothing in that opinion that would require thorough musical knowledge. If we said it was poorly composed or produced, then you'd have an argument. Here, you don't. Better luck next time.

you betta read

[Mr. Wonder]

"Wrong" would imply an objective "right", which is why I said to post a write-up from a professional who indeed knows music if we are truly "wrong". The only base someone needs to say something is boring or exciting to them is to experience it. That opinion can be formed based on whether something, in this case the song, appeals to them. We both formed an opinion, which is subjective, supported it based on our listening to the song. We both heard the song as well as the full album, and can freely give an opinion about it whether you like it or not. There is nothing in that opinion that would require thorough musical knowledge. If we said it was poorly composed or produced, then you'd have an argument. Here, you don't. Better luck next time.

Ok, so what about the song/album is boring? Is it the lyrical content? The structure? The rhythmic flow? The key? The time signature? What is it? Are you basing your opinion on answers to those type of questions or are you just haphazardly throwing out opinions with no real musical knowledge or evidence to back your claim? Somehow, based on track record, I seem to think it's the latter. You're no better than a cosigner in that aspect. Now do you see why it's important to know about these things before you comment on them? In the end, the probability of you looking uninformed it greatly reduced.

But in essence, what you MEANT to say was certain songs don't appeal to you, not the songs are boring. It should have been self evident what road you were going down when you clicked "add reply" after quoting me. And ultimately this brings us back to my original claim, ppl who think it's boring don't know music.

[Reyna ♔]

Ok, so what about the song/album is boring? Is it the lyrical content? The structure? The rhythmic flow? The key? The time signature? What is it? Are you basing your opinion on answers to those type of questions or are you just haphazardly throwing out opinions with no real musical knowledge or evidence to back your claim? Somehow, based on track record, I seem to think it's the latter. You're no better than a cosigner in that aspect. Now do you see why it's important to know about these things before you comment on them? In the end, the probability of you looking uninformed it greatly reduced.

But in essence, what you MEANT to say was certain songs don't appeal to you, not the songs are boring. It should have been self evident what road you were going down when you clicked "add reply" after quoting me. And ultimately this brings us back to my original claim, ppl who think it's boring don't know music.

I meant to say the song was boring and I said it. Jarryl did the same. "Boring" is subjective, and free to be used as mere opinion. You're trying to make this into an argument for an objective which you have no honest reason to do based on the opinions given. You attempt to be shady and flatter your own ego by trying to appear as if you know more about music than the both us. All the while knowing that the fact of the matter is that you don't like it when someone gives any sort of criticism to your fave. Sorry, that isn't the way the world, much less this forum, works. I can call her song, or even her album for that matter, "boring", "dull", "lacking", "empty" and anything else I personally feel based on my own listening experience. If it bores me, then it bores me. I don't need musical knowledge to do so, though after 7+ years of lessons I believe I could if I wished. Do you see what happens when you get too caught up in your own ego? See Beyonce if you're still lost. I'll get you the necessary tissues and cheese for that whine.

[Bailey]

I'm getting TOF teas

[Mr. Wonder]

I meant to say the song was boring and I said it. Jarryl did the same. "Boring" is subjective, and free to be used as mere opinion. You're trying to make this into an argument for an objective which you have no honest reason to do based on the opinions given. You attempt to be shady and flatter your own ego by trying to appear as if you know more about music than the both us. All the while knowing that the fact of the matter is that you don't like it when someone gives any sort of criticism to your fave. Sorry, that isn't the way the world, much less this forum, works. I can call her song, or even her album for that matter, "boring", "dull", "lacking", "empty" and anything else I personally feel based on my own listening experience. If it bores me, then it bores me. I don't need musical knowledge to do so, though after 7+ years of lessons I believe I could if I wished. Do you see what happens when you get too caught up in your own ego? See Beyonce if you're still lost. I'll get you the necessary tissues and cheese for that whine.

Your post reeks of a classic poster who uses the "it's an opinion" cop out to allude from the realization that your opinion is just outright STUPID, and to avoid the possibility of having to defend your position. But the task in defending an opinion that's rooted in a bottomless pit is extremely tedious and tiresome, and nothing more than wasted posts and key strokes. An opinion is formulated by the analysis of facts and it's clear from your posts that you talked in more circles than a Seurat painting rather than answering the question. My initial posts was never directed at you (hence the lack of a quote), but as the saying goes, "a hit dog will holler". And it doesn't matter who or what the topic is, anyone criticizing anything will warrant a challenge from me. It's a pet peeve of mine when ppl pass off opinions with no real reason to be stating them in the first place. So to say I'm caught up in my ego is like saying Ciara is a great vocalist - you can say it all you want, but in the end it's not true. I'm trying to help YOU not look uninformed on the internet. [Tyra] Learn something from this [/Tyra] And 10 posts in you STILL haven't answered the question, which, by omission, means I am correct in saying anyone who thinks the songs/album is boring doesn't know music.

[Mr. Wonder]

But let us not be delayed.

Official press release:

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BEYONCÉ Available Worldwide Now

UNPRECEDENTED 14 SONGS - 17 VIDEOS

VISUAL ALBUM

AVAILABLE NOW ON THE iTUNES STORE

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NEW YORK, Dec.13, 2013 /PRNewswire/ --Parkwood Entertainment/Columbia Records --The fifth solo studio album from Beyoncé is now available worldwide, exclusively on the iTunes Store (www.iTunes.com/beyonce). The self-titled set is the artist's first visual album. BEYONCÉis infused with 14 new songs and 17 visually stunning, provocative videos shot around the world from Houston to New York City to Paris, and Sydney to Rio de Janeiro, all before the album's release.

"I see music," says Beyoncé about her decision to create a visual album."It's more than just what I hear. When I'm connected to something, I immediately see a visual or a series of images that are tied to a feeling or an emotion, a memory from my childhood, thoughts about life, my dreams or my fantasies. And they're all connected to the music."

That the album is available on the day the world is learning about its release is an unprecedented strategic move by the artist to deliver music and visual content directly to her fans when she wants to and how she wants to, with no filter. This unique approach allows music fans to be the first to listen, view, engage and form their own opinions void of any middleman. In the age of social media and an insatiable appetite for direct communication, this is the answer to the question asked over and over again, when is Beyoncé's next album coming?

"I didn't want to release my music the way I've done it," she states. "I am bored with that. I feel like I am able to speak directly to my fans. There's so much that gets between the music, the artist and the fans. I felt like I didn't want anybody to give the message when my record is coming out. I just want this to come out when it's ready and from me to my fans."

Stripped of gimmicks, teasers and marketing campaigns, this project is truly about art before hype.

Starting now, BEYONCÉ is available globally and exclusively on the iTunes Store (www.itunes.com/beyonce).

For an artist who has been the target of leaks, this is a fully designed preventative plan. The album will be offered as a cohesive body of work with every song and every video available all at once for one single purchase.

While not a concept album, the record is designed to be consumed as a comprehensive audio/visual piece from top to bottom. The antithesis of making singles, the visual album is a non-linear journey through the thoughts and visions of Beyoncé.

Manufacturing of physical albums begins today and the double disc CD/DVD will be available at retail in time for the holidays.

Facebook exclusively premieres Part One of "Self-Titled," a mini doc feature that gives a glimpse into the entire project. It details her mind-set and artistic vision throughout the making of BEYONCÉ. By embracing an ever-evolving digital landscape, she creates an innovative, fully immersive, multiplatform experience for the first visual album of her career, completely changing the way her fans will consume music.

Not one to stand on past achievements, this is an artist who thrives on evolving, challenging herself and raising the bar. This creative process gave Beyoncé power over her music and provided an opportunity to control how the music is heard. She is not playing by the rules and breaking what is expected, preferring to put music out as an entire body of work.

Beyoncé, wearing multiple hats as writer, producer and director, put together a genius team of artists, songwriters, producers and video directors for her visual album that include JAY Z, Timbaland, Justin Timberlake, Pharrell Williams, Drake, The Dream, Sia, Ryan Tedder, Miguel, Frank Ocean, Hit Boy, Ammo, Boots, Detail, Jake Nava, Hype Williams, Terry Richardson, Melina Matsoukas, Jonas Akerlund, Ricky Saiz, Pierre Debusschere, @lilinternet, Noah "40" Shebib, Francesco Carrozzini, Caroline Polachek, Ed Burke, Bill Kirstein and Todd Tourso.

She recorded all over the world for a year and a half but the initial recording started after the writers and producers gathered under one roof in The Hamptons, New York's beach enclave, in the summer of 2012 to live together, work together and to immerse themselves into her world and into her head. The fans that have grown up with the performer, mature and seasoned enough to relate to the content and the shared experiences, inspire the music, with themes that explore love, loss, fear, anger, honesty, happiness, sexuality and confidence.

For the videos, some of which she co-directed, she preferred to work with a more care-free formula. Shot primarily during her successful "Mrs. Carter Show World Tour," the videos were veiled in secrecy, even though they were filmed in open places, including a beach in Brazil, the streets of NYC, on the famed Cyclone Rollercoaster in Coney Island, New York, downtown Los Angeles, a chateau in Paris, a roller skating rink in Houston, Texas where she skated as a child, and a beautiful church in South America. She mixed up the creative, going for big and small and set out on shoots eager to capture the spontaneity and honesty in every moment. The videos are visually stimulating, charged with visionary cinematography and clever storytelling. They capture every side of who she is, complete with vulnerability and imperfections.

BEYONCÉ is an explosive sonic and visual communiqué to music fans from an artist who has earned the right to do things on her terms. "I just want to give my album to the people I love and respect and hope that they feel the same thing I felt when I made the music," said Beyoncé.

BEYONCÉSONG LIST:

Pretty Hurts

Haunted

Drunk in Love (Featuring JAY Z)

Blow/Cherry

No Angel 

Yoncé/Partition 

Jealous

Rocket

Mine (Featuring Drake)

XO

***Flawless (Featuring/ Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie)

Superpower (Featuring Frank Ocean)

Heaven

Blue (Featuring Blue Ivy)

BEYONCÉVIDEO LIST:

Pretty Hurts 

directed by Melina Matsoukas

Ghost

directed by Pierre Debusschere

Haunted

directed by Jonas Akerlund

Drunk in Love

directed by Hype Williams

Blow

directed by Hype Williams

No Angel 

directed by @lilinternet

Yoncé 

directed by Ricky Saiz

Partition

directed by Jake Nava

Jealous

directed by Beyoncé, Francesco Carrozzini & Todd Tourso

Rocket

directed by Beyoncé, Ed Burke & Bill Kirstein

Mine

directed by Pierre Debusschere

XO

directed by Terry Richardson

***Flawless

directed by Jake Nava

Superpower

directed by Jonas Akerlund

Heaven

directed by Beyoncé & Todd Tourso

Blue

directed by Beyoncé, Ed Burke & Bill Kirstein

**BONUS VIDEO – Grown Woman

directed by Jake Nava

****

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[Escapade]

#StopBeyonceFans2013

[Reyna ♔]

Your post reeks of a classic poster who uses the "it's an opinion" cop out to allude from the realization that your opinion is just outright STUPID, and to avoid the possibility of having to defend your position. But the task in defending an opinion that's rooted in a bottomless pit is extremely tedious and tiresome, and nothing more than wasted posts and key strokes. An opinion is formulated by the analysis of facts and it's clear from your posts that you talked in more circles than a Seurat painting rather than answering the question. My initial posts was never directed at you (hence the lack of a quote), but as the saying goes, "a hit dog will holler". And it doesn't matter who or what the topic is, anyone criticizing anything will warrant a challenge from me. It's a pet peeve of mine when ppl pass off opinions with no real reason to be stating them in the first place. So to say I'm caught up in my ego is like saying Ciara is a great vocalist - you can say it all you want, but in the end it's not true. I'm trying to help YOU not look uninformed on the internet. [Tyra] Learn something from this [/Tyra] And 10 posts in you STILL haven't answered the question, which, by omission, means I am correct in saying anyone who thinks the songs/album is boring doesn't know music.

Jeez, I haven't seen you this pressed since I first signed up here. Here, I'll tell you what. Give me a write-up from a professional about why I'm wrong and I'll retract what I said. Will that make you feel better, dearie?

[ThatOtherFan]

I'm getting TOF teas

I'm not bandwagon stanning because a random artist had success, so no.

[Shawn1814]

lmao. Everything isn't about a $1.29 single. All of those hits and these girls are still struggling to go gold and platinum. A single is meant to sell your album, what's the point if it doesn't?

Meanwhile back at the ranch, Beyoncé scanned platinum plus with no top ten hits at all. Britney had the biggest radio success of her career during Femme Fatale era and still managed to scan only 700k.

And all of those girls had months worths of campaigning and promo with multiple hits and yet could only do under 300k in a weeks time.

All B Did was say "Surprise" and her album has sold more than half of what those releases sold in 3 Days w/ No single and only ONE retailer. So yes, it makes those other girls look pathetic.

Yall stay trying to make Beyoncé out to be a flop when she stays on par or outperforms your faves where it counts.

You do realize the chick is on tour and been on a tour for a while.. Everyone knew she was making an album/videos, they just didn't know when it was going to be released..

Some of you act like like she's been in hiding for 2 years and just popped up with an album.. Get real..

I do give her credit for trying something new with the release of the cd... The music....... not so much..

[ThatOtherFan]

You do realize the chick is on tour and been on a tour for a while.. Everyone knew she was making an album/videos, they just didn't know when it was going to be released..

Some of you act like like she's been in hiding for 2 years and just popped up with an album.. Get real..

I do give her credit for trying something new with the release of the cd... The music....... not so much..

Exactly.

Some people act like she disappeared and hadn't been seen for YEARS prior to the release. lol

You can argue that all of 2013 was promo for her. The Superbowl/the inauguration, the dozens of magazine covers after the SB, and obviously the tour.

It was known she was working. Even that she was shooting videos. The extent of it wasn't known.

The hype surrounding the way she put it out has propelled the album, and she should be given credit for that.

Acting like she's been gone for years and just dropped it randomly on the world isn't accurate. lol

[bu.]

No one is acting like that. There's a difference between knowing an album is coming and knowing WHEN the album is coming. We know a Janet album is coming but we don't know when. We know a Mariah album is coming but we don't know when. Same with Lauryn Hill, Missy, Lana and so on.

.

[ThatOtherFan]

No one is acting like that. There's a difference between knowing an album is coming and knowing WHEN the album is coming. We know a Janet album is coming but we don't know when. We know a Mariah album is coming but we don't know when. Same with Lauryn Hill, Missy, Lana and so on..

Yes, there is a difference, but at the same time you can't act like she's been gone for decades, randomly put a project out, and now it's sitting on top of iTunes.

All of 2013 has built to this moment for her, and the hype surrounding the way it was released has been a major factor in it's success.

She's redeemed herself from "4". I'll give her that.

[Laveaux]

I do give her credit for trying something new with the release of the cd... The music....... not so much..

I can respect that. Im not feeling the music either, but it's brilliant how she went about everything and its paying off. Its exciting what she did and I cant stand people hating just for the sake of hating. If you don't like Beyoncé that's fine, if u think the music is horrible...I get that, but baby you cant deny the LIFE she gave to such a dead ass industry. Now if we were to keep it all the way real, Beyoncé has been overpromoting herself since day one...so she really doesn't need to promote shit these days...but this shit was still exciting and genius.

[Aquaria]

It's true, from the Pepsi and HM endorsements, the Super Bowl, the inauguration, the tour, it was obvious she was setting up her next project. People knew it was coming they just didn't assume it would be in 2013 at this point.

[Aquaria]

I can respect that. Im not feeling the music either, but it brilliant how she went about everything and its paying off. Its an exciting what she did and I cant stand people hating just for the sake of hating. If you don't like Beyoncé that's fine, if u think the music is horrible...I get that, but baby you cant deny LIFE she gave to such a dead ass industry. Now if we were to keep it all the way real, Beyoncé has been overpromoting herself since day one...so she really doesn't need to promote shit these days...but this shit was still exciting and genius.

I have a new respect for her after this

[PutYOHandINHISFACE]

She needs to work more with Sia because the best track on this album is the first one.

And Bey, STAHP trying to be white. You're contradicting Pretty Hurts' message.

She doesn't have to try to be white because like it or not WHITE is a good percentage of her genetic make-up. Her Grandfather and Great grand father are WHITE MEN. Her mother is light bright damn near white. She don't have to pretend when it's a part of her make up.