Fanka Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 The same place her relevance is located... :asham: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeJoe Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 2 people doin' too much right about now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 2 people doin' too much right about now Joe even YOU said you agreed with my views in an earlier post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 Move the summer tour, eh? I wonder where it moved to.. Another time and place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 2 people doin' too much right about now LegendTina has that effect on people, she keeps her haters bothered as hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 LegendTina has that effect on people, she keeps her haters bothered as hell ...which certainly isn't the buying public. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 ...which certainly isn't the buying public. Which I suppose would be a problem if she showed any indication that she cared what the public thinks of her.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Which I suppose would be a problem if she showed any indication that she cared what the public thinks of her.... ...so in other words.. you're basically saying her career is just a "hobby" at this point? I'm sure Billboard wouldn't argue with that claim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 ...so in other words.. you're basically saying her career is just a "hobby" at this point? I'm sure Billboard wouldn't argue with that claim Actually what Im saying is the complete oppesite of what you assumed, that her being her doing her music and promo how she wants when she wants says she takes being an artist more seriously than she takes being successful, as she should, as real artist do. Can't say the same for alot of her peers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Actually what Im saying is the complete oppesite, that her being her doing her music and promo how she wants when she wants says she takes being an artist more seriously than she takes being successful, as she should. Can't say the same for alot of her peers. So to be lazy not doing enough and/or any promo showcases an artist being more concerned with their artistry and less about success to you? How does that make any kind of sense? This is the MUSIC business. You're here to sell records and "work" to sell them. That's like hiring someone to come work for your company and they clock in and dont do ANY work the whole day...like..what's the point? ..why are you here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 So to be lazy not doing enough and/or any promo showcases an artist being more concerned with their artistry and less about success to you? How does that make any sense? This is the MUSIC business. You're here to sell records and "work" to sell them. I agree that what you tried to twist that into doesn't make sense, it's not a matter of lazy or not (because she's doing a hit show at the same time as she released the album so she wasn't exactly sitting on her couch reading magazines), promo is to boost sales and singles, artist/musicians who don't care about the boost, dont do promo, and it's very clear that thats how she feels, the label did good with the marketting, they wanted it to be a hit more than she did. Sorry but she's not the 1st to do this, Prince, Aretha & Diana all have albums they did less promo for than Christina did for this 1 (which is saying next to none). That makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I agree that what you tried to twist that into doesn't make sense, it's not a matter of lazy or not (because she's doing a hit show at the same time as she released the album so she wasn't exactly sitting on her couch reading magazines), promo is to boost sales and singles, artist/musicians who don't care about the boost, dont do promo, and it's very clear that thats how she feels, the label did good with the marketting, they wanted it to be a hit more than she did. Sorry but she's not the 1st to do this, Prince, Aretha & Diana all have albums they did less promo for than Christina did for this 1 (which is saying next to none). That makes sense. If you truly believe in what you just said then you cant argue the fact that she IS NOT RELEVANT TODAY. You say "well she doesn't care to promote much and she's not worried about success" and in the same breath acts as if she's still some prominent force to be reckoned with in today's musical climate? Contradicting. How can she be relevant...what,because of a reality show? Look at Brandy when she was on DWTS she was able to garner a bit of a buzz around her name again but it wasn't hardly enough to make ppl interested in her music.again. Brandy -Post "Two Eleven" is bout as relevant as "Human" Brandy. Xtina is practically in the same boat as B'rocka'. Both of their audiences have moved on (a very long time ago). Their saving grace has been reality shows ..without that we most certainly wouldn't be talking about either because musically they're non existent. No matter how you slice it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 If you truly believe in what you just said then you cant argue the fact that she IS NOT RELEVANT TODAY. You say "well she doesn't care to promote much and she's not worried about success" and in the same breath acts as if she's still some prominent force to be reckoned with in today's musical climate? Contradicting. How can she be relevant...what,because of a reality show? Look at Brandy when she was on DWTS she was able to garner a bit of a buzz around her name again but it wasn't hardly enough to make ppl interested in her music.again. Brandy -Post "Two Eleven" is bout as relevant as "Human" Brandy. Xtina is practically in the same boat as B'rocka'. Both of their audiences have moved on (a very long time ago). Their saving grace has been reality shows ..without that we most certainly wouldn't be talking about either because musically they're non existent. No matter how you slice it LOFL, she is a force to be reckoned with (hell in fact if she wasn't she would've worked extra overtime to promote this album, indicating that she NEEDS/WANTS the sells), the 1st single debuitin that high with no promo indicates theres interest, that if she wanted to really have that next top 10-20 single, it wouldnt've taken much for her to get it this era. If Christina did the exact amount of promo for Lotus that Brandy did for TwoEleven, theres no way it wouldn'tve doubled those 1st week sales and at a minimum gave her a top 10 single, an indication that she has NO audience would be the opening single debuting under 50 (hell 70), and then compltely fall off. So Brandy sadly might be musically non existent (in the pop world), but Christina chooses to be, thats what this era is showing to those who pay attention, Brandy wanted this era to be a hit, SHE called it her make or break era, Christina did no such thing (Brandy shouldnt've either). Not to even mention that this is really only Christina's 2nd studio album to underperform, not her 5th or 7th like most of the haters make it out to sound like. And how is that contradicting? Thats saying that she knows what she got and what she can do, and she doesn't have to push promo because she's confident that the people who stand by her will, and for her album to sell what it sold with no promo says that she's got people willing to do so, not as much as P!nk, Gaga, Brit, or Bey, but she's indicating that she don't care, she'll be fine.Again, promo is to boost sales, nothing more, by choosing not to it says she's confident in what she's got and not desperate for a musical comeback or hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetDAYZ Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Just because one does promo doesn't equate to them being "desperate" for a hit. It's simply calling "WORKING" in their line of business. Promoting is their "9-5" if you will ...you make it sound like an artist looks mad thirsty if they promote. Its what they SHOULD do. You wanna make it like what Xtina is doing is commendable when in fact its not smart for HER. She doesn't have the place and/ or space in the industry to be on "mad chill" mode as if her name is gonna sell itself. You keep bragging about the single and the album selling (the LOW amount it did -which is the lowest of her career) with no promo. How is that an accomplishment? If you took the HBIC's in the game (Rihanna,Gaga,Bey,Katy,etc) and they dropped an album with NO promo...its guaranteed to sell more than 70k in the first week just off their name alone. So again,Xtina comes in last place which is me and Game's point. She will never be on their levels again. She's already had her moment 10 years ago. sidenote : As far as you acting like Brandy was breaking her back to succeed...did you forget that she was actually waaaaaaaaaaaay behind schedule? Didn't we have to wait about 3 months for the video to her first single to come out? During the time her first single dropped she was NOT promoting at all..that was actually everyones gripe with her, like why the fuck isnt she anywhere to be found and has music out? She didn't start doing promo until the end of "Put It Down's" life on the charts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Just because one does promo doesn't equate to them being "desperate" for a hit. It's simply calling "WORKING" in their line of business. Promoting is their "9-5" if you will ...you make it sound like an artist looks mad thirsty if they promote. Its what they SHOULD do. You wanna make it like what Xtina is doing is commendable when in fact its not smart for HER. She doesn't have the place and/ or space in the industry to be on "mad chill" mode as if her name is gonna sell itself. You keep bragging about the single and the album selling (the LOW amount it did) with no promo. How is that an accomplishment? If you took the HBIC's in the game (Rihanna,Gaga,Bey,Katy,etc) and they dropped an album with NO promo...its guaranteed to sell more than 70k in the first week just off their name alone. So again,Xtina comes in last place which is me and Game's point. She will never be on their levels again. She's already had her moment 10 years ago. sidenote : As far as you acting like Brandy was breaking her back to succeed...did you forget that she was actually waaaaaaaaaaaay behind schedule? Didn't we have to wait about 3 months for the video to her first single to come out? During the time her first single dropped she was NOT promoting at all..that was actually everyones gripe with her, like why the fuck isnt she anywhere to be found and has music out? She didn't start doing promo until the end of "Put It Down's" life on the charts. Sure it doesn't ONLY mean that you're desperate for a hit or success, but thats the whole point of promo, to keep your name album & Single out there and talked about and noticed. No it's not, unless it's directly in a artist contract about how much promo they do, they have the right to promote or not (again Prince being 1 of the best examples). And no they "shouldn't" do it if they don't care about the success of it, , if they know that the people who are down with them are going to support it anyway no matter how much or little, it's basically letting the music speak for itself. And it is commendable, very, to bring them up again, Prince & Aretha & others have done this a ton for albums that nobody who isn't a die hard fan can name off the top of their head and went nowhere on the charts or singles wise, it's only "dumb" if she said she wanted hits, #1's, and big figures and then did the low amount of promo that she did, but guess what? She didn't, she said she wanted to write and record again, and thats what she did, she is not desperate for this album to be a success. What the hell are you talking about? Actually what happend with 4 proved that Bey needed all the promo in the world so I don't know what you're talking about (Run the world leaked and got released to horrible reviews, next thing you know she's doing interviews and performing it and leaking other songs from the album...desperate for a hit). I always find it hilarious when people bring up Rihanna & Katy into this........they're the new girls, they arent in Christina, Britney, P!nk, Alicia, & Bey(if you include her DC yrs)'s group, thus comparing their success to her is like in 2008 comparing Britney & Bey's success current success to Janet & Mariah. They'll be somewhat comparable when they've been in a big name in the industry for 10+ yrs. And sorry to break it to you (actually Im not this is fun for me) but out of the women who dominated the charts 10 years ago and have released albums within the last 2-3 years, she's not in last place that title goes to either Mandy Moore or Jessica Simpson, and Im sure theres some more in between. And along with that again, she indicates that isn't important to her (if it were she would've flat out released more albums, upped her promo for every album after Stripped, and released more singles), what you & Game fail at in your analysis is this idea that she actually wants to be bigger than somebody, she's shown already she could hold her own against them and she's recently shown if she wanted to go after those hits and chart figures she could, but she's too busy being a real artist about hers, and catering to herself and her fans. Yup, she was behind scheduele on that video but she was talking about that album since before Whitney died, and what she was going for, basically she's been promoting the album all year, she also performed the 1st single before the album dropped, no matter the crowd size, no matter how long after the single dropped she performed it and theres videos available on youtube (hell she performed her 1st 2 singles MONTHS before her album dropped). she was behind scheduele with the videos and official single release dates but she was promoting the hell out of this era and album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Look.. Xtina isn't Prince.. or on Prince's level... or Aretha's level... never was.. never will be... so let's drop that like it's hot Xtina is in the same league as Jessica Simpson & Mandy Moore Especially Jessica Simpson who is fat, had a reality show... but no one cares for either of them until they appear in public with their fat hanging out No.. she has not shown anything... she is not in the the "chill mode" part of her career... She has not accomplished much in her short career... She doesn't have the right to feel as if she's "been there done that... now i'm gonna do this and watch my shit flop"... No.. I don't know where you get that from... Xtina cannot make a comeback.. because she just doesn't have IT... she has no market... no Niche... no audience... just a talent show who doesn't need her as much as she needs it... Every article says that about her... that and she's fat.. which is a no-no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 Look.. Xtina isn't Prince.. or on Prince's level... or Aretha's level... never was.. never will be... so let's drop that like it's hot Xtina is in the same league as Jessica Simpson & Mandy Moore Especially Jessica Simpson who is fat, had a reality show... but no one cares for either of them until they appear in public with their fat hanging out No.. she has not shown anything... she is not in the the "chill mode" part of her career... She has not accomplished much in her short career... She doesn't have the right to feel as if she's "been there done that... now i'm gonna do this and watch my shit flop"... No.. I don't know where you get that from... Xtina cannot make a comeback.. because she just doesn't have IT... she has no market... no Niche... no audience... just a talent show who doesn't need her as much as she needs it... Every article says that about her... that and she's fat.. which is a no-no You know what it is interesting, she's not on their levels today (ofcourse) but she's actually doing better in the hits to flop ratio at this age than both of them, sooooo thats a no...not gonna drop em oh boy, this is gonna be hard for you to hear, actually she's sold ALOT more than Jessica & Mandy (porbably combined I'm sure), hell neither of them have a #1 single (and Mandy don't even have a top 10 single). Sooo Christina's way more relevant than they are, showing she's not last in her generation. And also...not all Reality TV is in the same boat, see Jessica Simpson is a singer who was a judge on a fashion show...that was a flop and got really close to getting cancelled because of mediocre at best rattings, Christina is a judge/coach for a singing show...thats a hit and thats gonna go on for years. Yea actually she is in that part of her career, too early? Yea since this album was promoted nicely among the fans and the label, she could've pushed hearder, but she shows to be happy with what she got. And actually she does have that right LOL what the hell are you talking about? She's been the hot girl, the different girl, the hit maker, the serious artist, she's been the successful girl, and she's been the girl not afraid to flop since album 2 (it's what being a real artist is all about)....soo yea shes there, she earned that right even before this era with Bionic, I don't know where you get that she doesn't, but then again, I don't know where you got alot of out of nowhere random lies that you through out here yesterday... Sadly for you and that assumption and everyone who desperately needs that to be true, it's a opinion not a fact, a funny one but yea alot of people didnt think alot of legends would come back with hits before they did. Her stats from this era says she does have a market that if she were desperate enough to really get that hit, it wouldnt've taken much to do it this era, if she didn't have a market or people that cared the album numbers would be MUCH lower, the 1st single would've had trouble charting that high, and again, her market is the people who like the vocals, just because YOU don't like that market (or the idea of her really having 1) does not mean it does not exist.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaria Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I can't believe xtina is seriously being referred to as a legend. I have to agree with game on mostly every point... But I won't harp on it since this is her thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 I can't believe xtina is seriously being referred to as a legend. I have to agree with game on mostly every point... But I won't harp on it since this is her thread You don't like her, ofcourse you agree with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquaria Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 You don't like her, ofcourse you agree with him. I don't dislike her but it doesn't really matter regardless in influencing my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock & Roll Hall of Game Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 You know what it is interesting, she's not on their levels today (ofcourse) but she's actually doing better in the hits to flop ratio at this age than both of them, sooooo thats a no...not gonna drop em oh boy, this is gonna be hard for you to hear, actually she's sold ALOT more than Jessica & Mandy (porbably combined I'm sure), hell neither of them have a #1 single (and Mandy don't even have a top 10 single). Sooo Christina's way more relevant than they are, showing she's not last in her generation. And also...not all Reality TV is in the same boat, see Jessica Simpson is a singer who was a judge on a fashion show...that was a flop and got really close to getting cancelled because of mediocre at best rattings, Christina is a judge/coach for a singing show...thats a hit and thats gonna go on for years. Yea actually she is in that part of her career, too early? Yea since this album was promoted nicely among the fans and the label, she could've pushed hearder, but she shows to be happy with what she got. And actually she does have that right LOL what the hell are you talking about? She's been the hot girl, the different girl, the hit maker, the serious artist, she's been the successful girl, and she's been the girl not afraid to flop since album 2 (it's what being a real artist is all about)....soo yea shes there, she earned that right even before this era with Bionic, I don't know where you get that she doesn't, but then again, I don't know where you got alot of out of nowhere random lies that you through out here yesterday... Sadly for you and that assumption and everyone who desperately needs that to be true, it's a opinion not a fact, a funny one but yea alot of people didnt think alot of legends would come back with hits before they did. Her stats from this era says she does have a market that if she were desperate enough to really get that hit, it wouldnt've taken much to do it this era, if she didn't have a market or people that cared the album numbers would be MUCH lower, the 1st single would've had trouble charting that high, and again, her market is the people who like the vocals, just because YOU don't like that market (or the idea of her really having 1) does not mean it does not exist.... hits to flop ratio? Xtina hasn't been around and won't be around much longer once the whole "talent show" thing disappers.. don't compare legends to Xtina... Yes sales she sold more... wow... but neither have done much with their careers besides be second best to others, get knocked up, fat, and have reality tv shows... and as of right now they're on the same wavelength of relevance... Xtina a little higher but barely.. The Voice doesn't need Xtina.. they could pick up any hasbeen from the last decade... Brandy, Lil Mama, Ciara, JLo, etc She's getting paid more to sit on her ass and judge a contest than she does from her album or a tour that'll never happen... that's why she's happy... she probably didn't spend a dime on this album... and it was probably the label's idea... Her stats from this era proves that she can't push a hit if she wanted to.. Your Body proves enough.... in this day and age it's either make or break or try... Taylor Swift can release her farting for 4 minutes... #1 on iTunes next day... Brandy could promote a song for 4 years and it'll still won't be a hit... P!nk can release a song (Try) and work for it to become a hit (historic performances at major award shows) Xtina is in Brandy's league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 hits to flop ratio? Xtina hasn't been around and won't be around much longer once the whole "talent show" thing disappers.. don't compare legends to Xtina... Yes sales she sold more... wow... but neither have done much with their careers besides be second best to others, get knocked up, fat, and have reality tv shows... and as of right now they're on the same wavelength of relevance... Xtina a little higher but barely.. The Voice doesn't need Xtina.. they could pick up any hasbeen from the last decade... Brandy, Lil Mama, Ciara, JLo, etc She's getting paid more to sit on her ass and judge a contest than she does from her album or a tour that'll never happen... that's why she's happy... she probably didn't spend a dime on this album... and it was probably the label's idea... Her stats from this era proves that she can't push a hit if she wanted to.. Your Body proves enough.... in this day and age it's either make or break or try... Taylor Swift can release her farting for 4 minutes... #1 on iTunes next day... Brandy could promote a song for 4 years and it'll still won't be a hit... P!nk can release a song (Try) and work for it to become a hit (historic performances at major award shows) Xtina is in Brandy's league Right, just like people knew in 2003 Mariah was done right? Sorry to break it to you but she's already getting the respect and honor of an icon that she is, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WfLRhDx9cuA, And http://www.business-...e-awards/97099/). Yup she's sold more albums singles, has a signature iconic song, thats more than both of them, so...no....they arent that close (LOFL, you went from going on facts to pure opinion, soooo disapointed). Yadda yadda yad could/would/should, but she's a fan favorite on the show so whether they need her or not has yet to beseen until March, other than that your just going off of opinion again which is a fail in this discussion. Yet...she's happy LOL, which is the most important thin, she made the album she wanted to make and did as much promo as she wanted she showed she's an artist who could've easily had a hit to shut her haters up, but that wasn't a priority to her (never has been really) Another lie? Really Norm? She did NOTHING to promote Your body besides a video, and saying it's name and it debut'd that high, that indicates all she had to do was push it herself and it would've gone higher, I mean to say otherwise is just a plain lie and wrong. You know what you're right about Taylor, I at times forget she's been in the industry for 10+ years and is in her early 30's thus making her eligable to compare to the likes of anyone who has been in the industry over 10 years......OH WAIT she's the new hot chick, thats right, that means any comparison you do to any seasoned act vs a newbie in favor of the newbie will be irrelevant. Sorry. And out of all of that you forgot too, theres artist & musicians who record and release music for themselves and their fans........money and chart success isn't on ever musician's mind. Funnny so Brandy sold between 50-80million albums and has the worldwide audience and respect that she does? I love Brandy but Christina is far more successful. You can keep lying or going off of your plain hateful opinion of her all you want (tho it's weird and pointless) but facts say you're wrong about her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 Xtina is in Brandy's league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarrylf Posted December 23, 2012 Share Posted December 23, 2012 IKR, I almost busted out laughing at that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wonder Posted December 23, 2012 Author Share Posted December 23, 2012 The things ppl say when backed into a corner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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